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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Thor can move so fast Hulk can't even tell where he went it would obviously make a huge difference.

If he utilized his speed, I'd bet it'd be similar to the fight with Juggernaut or the Absorbing Man. I.e. Thor pounding him into submission with the Hulk being unable to land a blow. Unfortunately, Thor fights Hulk specifically to test his might.
I didnt read the particular comic you're talking about...but based on all of their fights in their history, thor has never demonstrated any appreciable speed advantage.


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Really, someone has looked at all of those feats?

My point is using the argument towards Logan and Spider-Man and not using it towards Batman and Logan is contradictory. Last I checked is that they were considered "equal" due to similar feats.


I should hope so... that's why we are on the internet fighting about cartoon characters...

Except Batman and Wolverine don't have equal speed feats, so there is no contradiction. Wolverine is visibly faster than Bruce based on feats.


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Haha.
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Either time.
Didn't Flash get neutralized in the fight?


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Like I said, he attacked fast enough to leave after-images, something that NW and DD have both done.


That's like saying Superman lifting a book with infinite pages is a lifting feat, something that Thing has done...


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I should hope so... that's why we are on the internet fighting about cartoon characters...

Except Batman and Wolverine don't have equal speed feats, so there is no contradiction. Wolverine is visibly faster than Bruce based on feats.
Well the staple "street feat" is "dodging bullets" something they've all done. Actually Batman relies on dodging more than Wolverine out of necessity.


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Except Batman and Wolverine don't have equal speed feats, so there is no contradiction. Wolverine is visibly faster than Bruce based on feats.


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That's like saying Superman lifting a book with infinite pages is a lifting feat, something that Thing has done...


No, it's not.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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I didnt read the particular comic you're talking about...but based on all of their fights in their history, thor has never demonstrated any appreciable speed advantage.


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...hor1fight10.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...thor1fight8.jpg

That's a horrible argument to make when we know Thor specifically fights Hulk to test his might. Thor likes to battle and challenge himself. Call it a flaw if you must.


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Didn't Flash get neutralized in the fight?


He was depowered in the Marvel universe since the Speed-force didn't exist, but the comic made sure that the reason for QS being able to match him was known.

The same didn't happen in the Thor/Superman fight.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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I honestly find it hilarious that you pulled the equality card. In particular since we're discussing the Thor/Superman battle.


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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...hor1fight10.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e...thor1fight8.jpg

That's a horrible argument to make when we know Thor specifically fights Hulk to test his might. Thor likes to battle and challenge himself. Call it a flaw if you must.
hmmm you know, you can test your might and dodge at the same time. nothing compells thor to get hit even if he just wanted to test his 'might'. but good argument...not.

also, please stop posting these old ass ancient scans of thor that have little relevance to the modern depictions of these characters.


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Well the staple "street feat" is "dodging bullets" something they've all done. Actually Batman relies on dodging more than Wolverine out of necessity.


Quality over quantity. cool

I largely ignore bullet dodging feats unless I'm forced to counter one with one of my own. Bullet dodging is a street level staple, Coleen Wing and Misty Knight can do it, it's no big deal. I'm more concerned with the other applications of speed characters display.


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No, it's not.


Yes, it's is. The scope of Wolverine's feat completely eclipses those of Daredevil or Nightwing. The fact that there are "after images," doesn't somehow equalize all the feats.


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He was depowered in the Marvel universe since the Speed-force didn't exist, but the comic made sure that the reason for QS being able to match him was known.

The same didn't happen in the Thor/Superman fight.
They equalize them either by jobbing or weakening, generally depending on the power gap.

Thor can contend with Superman a lot better than Quicksilver could ever hope to contend with Flash.
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I honestly find it hilarious that you pulled the equality card. In particular since we're discussing the Thor/Superman battle.
Why so superstar?

All I'm saying is popular characters in crossover matches will fight a good drawn out fight, like Spider-Man and Superman did, we all know Superman would destroy Spider-Man yet they used a plot device to make them "even".

Hence why crossovers aren't allowed on the forum.


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Quality over quantity. cool

I largely ignore bullet dodging feats unless I'm forced to counter one with one of my own. Bullet dodging is a street level staple, Coleen Wing and Misty Knight can do it, it's no big deal. I'm more concerned with the other applications of speed characters display.
I agree with you there, bullets job way too much.

Although in all honesty I can't say that Wolverine has better dodging/stealth type feats than Batman. Batman has to rely on that whereas Logan doesn't.


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Thor can contend with Superman a lot better than Quicksilver could ever hope to contend with Flash.


Quite the opposite really... at least in terms of speed.


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hmmm you know, you can test your might and dodge at the same time. nothing compells thor to get hit even if he just wanted to test his 'might'. but good argument...not.

also, please stop posting these old ass ancient scans of thor that have little relevance to the modern depictions of these characters.


Except his character. Thor has made it abundantly clear that if he wants to, he can illustrate a speed/skill advantage over Juggernaut, Hulk type characters. He simply doesn't for the majority. Just like he doesn't demonstrate his power or versatility edge. Holding back and fighting opponents on their level is a pretty big part of Thor's character. It's even worse against the Hulk because it's a matter of pride and honor.

It's a hell of a lot better than your argument if you can call it that.

Last I checked, they're still cannon.


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They equalize them either by jobbing or weakening, generally depending on the power gap.


So, Superman jobbed in the crossover?


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Why so superstar?

All I'm saying is popular characters in crossover matches will fight a good drawn out fight, like Spider-Man and Superman did, we all know Superman would destroy Spider-Man yet they used a plot device to make them "even".

Hence why crossovers aren't allowed on the forum.


You can't really be serious can you? How can you read that crossover and come to the conclusion that Busiek was trying to play the equalization card?

Busiek portrayed the speed advantage like I wager most writers would if Thor battled Superman or a clone. It's there, and they'll use it briefly, but it's not going to be what wins them the fight the majority of the time.


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Except his character. Thor has made it abundantly clear that if he wants to, he can illustrate a speed/skill advantage over Juggernaut, Hulk type characters. He simply doesn't for the majority. Just like he doesn't demonstrate his power or versatility edge. Holding back and fighting opponents on their level is a pretty big part of Thor's character. It's even worse against the Hulk because it's a matter of pride and honor.

It's a hell of a lot better than your argument if you can call it that.

Last I checked, they're still cannon.
Supes has this in his character too, but after while he'll get tired of it, and show them just how many leagues above them he is. Sadly, most only remember the former, and not the latter part of the issue.


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