Wolverine has sneaked into the Baxter Building and Stark Tower (he is one of the only characters who has been able to do so without gear or aid), and he didn't have a hand in building and designing those security systems like Batman. He was able to avoid Strike Force X for weeks in the rain forest, taking them out one at a time with gorilla tactics, and they all have the same abilities as Wolverine (as well as built in night vision and an assortment of high tech weaponry). Wolverine has also sneaked up on Daredevil, and he has many impressive "ninja vanish" type feats under his belt. I would say outside of sneaking up on Superman (which is well outside the purview of suspension of disbelieve), Wolverine has better stealth feats that Batman.
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You mean the time Sue was watching him "sneak in" on the monitors?
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I'm well aware of that, but Superman can hear the heart palpitations of a of a dust mite in Africa. Batman sneaking up on Clark (or MM) is too much for suspension of disbelief to cover. It's PIS as far as I'm concerned.
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Low showing for Superman, and completely , totally 100% out of character for him. Like Steve Rogers knocking back Hulk. Thats completley out of Hulks character to suffer such a reaction to a class 1 blow. When he can go toe to toe with an asteroid.
Buildings don't suffer from PIS. Batmans feat is beyond the believable scope of the character. His footstpes might have been silent, but his heart beats are not.
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I'm fairly sure that someone posted a scan of Sue watching Wolverine "sneak into" the Baxter building during the Infinity War story.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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Quicksilver has had some upgrades, but I think Flash all out is well beyond Quicksilver. Can someone post the match? What I mean, is you'll never see a comic where for instance Superman blitzes Captain America and throw it away. Super Speed characters are treated like humans that move fast, they usually don't use their abilities to the max.
Can someone post the match. I think the arguments to this have been posted already. I'd give the edge to Batman. Maybe they are comparable, but Batman does it more consistently against a higher caliber of opponents.
Buildings might not have PIS as a unit but the things inside of them can "job" in a sense.
He made it almost to the center of complex without setting of any of Reed's alarms or alerting anyone to his presence before Sue finally saw him. I think she stated it was impossible he got as far as he did.
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I haven't conceded anything. it's true that thor doesn't use his fullpowerset when he fights...but that's true of many characters. its not because thor holds back to test his might as you claim, its a function of comics.
yes, really. you do realize that not everything that's canon is relevant right?
WWH...hulk became much more powerful. and later in world breaker, he became even more powerful.
Quicksilver has been upgraded to light speed, but Flash still has feats that would require him to be moving literally billions of times faster than light.
Non PIS, Wolverine has better stealth feats, with PIS Batman can disappear from Superman and has the best stealth feats of any character in any genre. Like Wolverine's healing factor you need to compartmentalize Batman's relevant feats, and his absurd PIS ones.
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Yea...and IIRC the building was full of other heroes, so there is no reason to assume that the security system was set to max.
It would be like using someone getting caught crashing a party at the playboy mansion to prove that they can sneak in at night.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
I've seen him do it more than once on both Superman and Martian Manhunter. At one point, Batman broke into some highly guarded facility and Clark along with John scanned for him with their senses, couldn't even see him. They were baffled.
Batman has snuck around White Martians, pulled the disappearing act on a Flash, broke into the Spectre's temple which was thought to be impossible IIRC. He also infiltrated Lex Corps, used guerrilla tactics on the Legion and the Science Police in the 31st Century etc.
You'd really be hard pressed to prove Logan having better sneaking around/breaking in feats.
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