Im sorry DD, but imo you're jumping to conlusions when you bring up Spider-man doubting his speed. As been mentioned Logan admitted that Spider-man can break his neck. Twice now. But using that as an argument would be like me saying that Spider-man can see better in the dark than Wolverine because there was this one time when Spider-man saw him coming in the dark tunnel and Logan didnt. Heck, using evidence I can build a case that Parker is smarter than Reed Richards. And I could present lots of proofs from various books of dirrect comparison of their intellects with Parker being on top, I really can. But that wont make him smarter. What im saying is - one could probably argue that Batgirl is faster than Spider-man using same old evidence. But there are more point we have to concider. Now when it comes down to comparing street levelers speed I personally look at: overall feats (and I really do believe that there are some he wont be able to match), 1 on 1 fights and speed display against other characters. Now feats and enounters have been debated to death so ill explain what I mean by showings against other characters. For example - while I see Wolverine sh!tstomp Domino in a fight, I dont see him dance around her attacks like Spider-man. Or avoiding Sandman in a 10x10 foot metal room. Or dance around Deadpool's sword with ease, that kind of thing. And last but imo the most important argument (think ive mentioned it before) - Spider-man is not as experienced in fighting as Wolverine or Daredevil, Deadpool etc. He doesnt have the MA skills they have to keep him alive in fights, yet he survived (not counting PIS) as much crap as the other guys, and it would take either MA skills he doesnt have or a (maybe not a big one but still) speed advantage.
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Where was this? Spider-Man was stated to be 40x faster than a human.
It's all based on your hatred of Spider-Man, Wolverine was never "stated" as superhumanly fast, you just pick and choose feats that you want and proceed to bash and flame. Don't tell me what characters I do and don't read. I read a variety of characters in many different media, and many different books. I spend more time reading things than anyone here. One of my main hobbies. The fact that the only people who argue this are Wolverine fa... supporters speak volumes.
Who said anything about Rogues beating characters, you brought it up as if it had something to do with speed, that is known as a red herring.
You did go in that thread, and you and your friends tried desperately to "prove" Wolverine's speed, which just came down to making excuses about Spider-Man's feats lol. Then you came on my site and made feats up, I remember that too. I called you out on it and you left.
You're trying to attack me instead of my argument just like I knew would happen, and you're getting upset. My point was speed is hard to quanitfy. If you, jinzin, carver, and srank think Wolverine is much faster, that is fine and you are welcome to, most just disagree. As do I. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...threadid=443877
I guess the majority of the forum doesn't read Wolverine. Nice try though.
My Superman/ Flash analogy holds true. Comparable in some ways, but not completely in high gear.
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Haha, this is cute. Hilarious, idiotic, and delusional but cute.
How on earth one could reach the conclusion that Thor doesn't even have super human levels of speed is mind boggling. It's also downright trolling as I've without a doubt posted numerous super human feats including the narration actually telling us Thor is moving at super human speed but whatever.
For the record, Thor is faster than the Hulk. That was made clear pretty early on.
Of course it seems weird, but that's how it is and it's been that way for 50 years. Lack of speed feats is a problem that plagues many of Marvel's top tiers, and I don't believe it is my job (or yours) to a character the benefit of the doubt and assume they must be fast because they happen to be powerful in every other way. If the Editorial staff at Marvel wants me to believe that Thor is capable of great combat speed, then they need to depict him using it on panel. There is a pretty obvious difference in speed between Spider-man and Thor. Compare their fights with Absorbing Man and tell me you believe Thor's speed is anywhere close to Spider-mans.
I believe both WW and Surfer have FTL combat speed feats, so that comparison isn't apt.
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I was talking about his comment about Batman.
I said Wolverine was enhanced speed. He is stated to be in great shape and ability for a man his age and size blah blah blah... but I think he's enhanced by his "powers" and his strength by his skeleton.
I already said that before. You just hate me because I'm black. Lol.
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Are you trolling, or are you just plain stupid? He said Thor has no speed feats. Those are two speed feats. Do I really need to post 20 speed feats? I could have posted one and made my point.
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I'm not going to give a character the benefit of doubt for no reason. If Daredevil has better reflex feats than Thor, than in my mind he is faster. Simple. Open and shut case.
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I didn't make this thread to prove that Spiderman and Wolvy are equals. If you think Spiderman is faster... I'm not arguing against that. I want proof that Thor is faster than both Wolverine AND Spiderman, even if you don't think Wolvy is faster than Spidey.
I try to educate some one on the fact that wolverine is a superhuman and that there is not significant gap in speed like there is between superman and flash.
what about that pissed you off enough for such a long post? I mean do I really need to read it or did you just assume I argueing something else?
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So MOVING faster than some bullets, is a better feat than ACTUALLY BUILDING a trench faster than human eyes can follow? Seems to me that Thor's task was much more complex than the scan of Wolverine you posted. Also it doesn't bode well for you that Wolverine sneak attacked Thor from behind once and Thor was still able to react to him quite easily.
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Wolverine is Superman now? Wow.
Wolverine has Super healing, enhanced everything else.
Why are you arguing with me? I said from the beginning it would go off topic, you disagreed with what I said and pounced on me. I know I'm black but give peace a chance...
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Ok, Wolverine completely vanished in that scan. I never said that Thor couldn't move faster than human eyes but again, his feats aren't on Wolvys level.
I know you just didn't bring up a comic where Thor admitted Wolverine was faster?
Show me some "up to date" speed feats from Thor if he is faster than Wolvy (even though the classic stuff you showed isn't even comparable to what Wolvy has done).
It isn't my place to decide if a character isn't demonstrating an ability because "he doesn't rely on that power," or because he simply lacks the ability. Frankly, how a character should be depicted is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how they are depicted. If next week Thor read an entire library worth of books in a second and had an FTL conversation with Quicksilver, I would say "About damn time!" But until he does, he can't. This isn't a fan-fic forum, we are debating using feats that have actually occurred, not speculating on theoretical abilities that have never been demonstrated.
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But that doesn't count because there were no blurry afterimages right? People seem to confuse Thor's unwillingness to use a lot of his abilities with him straight up lacking them. Just as he limits Mjolnir, he limits himself physically. He enjoys fighting opponents at their level; this was the case as far back as Kirby's run. He has his low showings but so does everyone.
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