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celeyhyga17
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street and low meta levelers dodge bullets mostly through anticipation.


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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
So MOVING faster than some bullets, is a better feat than ACTUALLY BUILDING a trench faster than human eyes can follow? Seems to me that Thor's task was much more complex than the scan of Wolverine you posted. Also it doesn't bode well for you that Wolverine sneak attacked Thor from behind once and Thor was still able to react to him quite easily.


Thor can lift thousands of tons, and crack planets... how many hammer swings do you think it took him to dig a trench?


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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I was talking about his comment about Batman.

I said Wolverine was enhanced speed. He is stated to be in great shape and ability for a man his age and size blah blah blah... but I think he's enhanced by his "powers" and his strength by his skeleton.


**** it, if you dont even know this little abouit him, it pointless.

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street and low meta levelers dodge bullets mostly through anticipation.
And by "rule of cool".

They aim dodge. None of them should dodge the actual bullet. Spider-Man can at a distance due to his SS though, but he shouldn't just dodge on on the path of him already.
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**** it, if you dont even know this little abouit him, it pointless.
You're right I'm a fool. Don't waste your time trying to teach me.

If I remember the forum pegged him as peak human before.

I think enhanced is beyond human, but I wouldn't peg him as "casual superhuman".

All subjective wot wot.


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Bottom line: speed is hard to quantify in comics.


This.

Thor's all over the map. He has feats of (combat) speed that are faster than the human eye can follow, and also the Mongoose/Spider-Man feats (though, to be fair, at least the Spider-Man bad feat was Masterson...not sure about Mongoose).

As for the bullet thing, silly as it may seem, both Wolverine and SM have bullet-dodging feats after the bullet was fired.


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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wolverine is Superman now? Wow.

Wolverine has Super healing, enhanced everything else.

Why are you arguing with me? I said from the beginning it would go off topic, you disagreed with what I said and pounced on me. I know I'm black but give peace a chance...

iHe superhuman.

Not enhance, superhuman..



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^About Masterson, I don't think there is any reason for the Odinson to have greater raw reaction speed than Masteron Thor.

I just call that a low feat for Thor altogether regardless of whether it was Masterson or not.


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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...orbingMan31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...orbingMan32.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...orbingMan34.jpg

But that doesn't count because there were no blurry afterimages right? People seem to confuse Thor's unwillingness to use a lot of his abilities with him straight up lacking them. Just as he limits Mjolnir, he limits himself physically. He enjoys fighting opponents at their level; this was the case as far back as Kirby's run. He has his low showings but so does everyone.


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3615/34op.jpg

Compare and contrast. Thor is faster than Absorbing Man, and the same way Ali was faster than some of his other Heavy Weight opponents. Spider-man is faster than Absorbing Man in the way one person is faster than another person who happens to be completely encased in concrete.


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Originally posted by Digi
This.

Thor's all over the map. He has feats of (combat) speed that are faster than the human eye can follow, and also the Mongoose/Spider-Man feats (though, to be fair, at least the Spider-Man bad feat was Masterson...not sure about Mongoose).

As for the bullet thing, silly as it may seem, both Wolverine and SM have bullet-dodging feats after the bullet was fired.


This is what I was trying to say.

Spider-Man should be doing that with his SS, the other characters just aren't fast enough. This is where forum logic kicks in and ignores jobbing. Unless comic bullets are slower...

(Though that would explain everything).


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Ok, Wolverine completely vanished in that scan. I never said that Thor couldn't move faster than human eyes but again, his feats aren't on Wolvys level.

I know you just didn't bring up a comic where Thor admitted Wolverine was faster?

Show me some "up to date" speed feats from Thor if he is faster than Wolvy (even though the classic stuff you showed isn't even comparable to what Wolvy has done).


Thor did far, far more in his scan, I think that more than makes up for him only moving "almost" faster than the mortal eye can see...rather than faster.

That doesn't even get into the fact that his scan was during the day, while Wolverine's was in a bar...places that aren't known for having great lighting.


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iHe superhuman.

Not enhance, superhuman..



dont worry becuase I answer the pick mess of a post next.


Lol he changed his mind. He's still mad at me.

It doesn't really matter. It proves my point.

1. This thread was going to derail like this.
2. Speed is hard to quantify in comics.

Wolverine isn't Superman. Prove it.


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And by "rule of cool".

They aim dodge. None of them should dodge the actual bullet. Spider-Man can at a distance due to his SS though, but he shouldn't just dodge on on the path of him already. You're right I'm a fool. Don't waste your time trying to teach me.

If I remember the forum pegged him as peak human before.

I think enhanced is beyond human, but I wouldn't peg him as "casual superhuman".

All subjective wot wot.

By pegg you mean make complelely up then yes.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...orbingMan31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...orbingMan32.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/...orbingMan34.jpg

But that doesn't count because there were no blurry afterimages right? People seem to confuse Thor's unwillingness to use a lot of his abilities with him straight up lacking them. Just as he limits Mjolnir, he limits himself physically. He enjoys fighting opponents at their level; this was the case as far back as Kirby's run. He has his low showings but so does everyone.


Its a speed feat and I never said he was slow but I would LOVE to see something like this while he is fighting.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7895/x235go7.png


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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Understandable to some extent. If Spider-Man flew unassisted into space with no history of doing so I would discard it.


Lucifer not needing to "dodge" someone in a fight doesn't mean he has less reflexes though, where do we draw the line?


I have no trouble believing that Thor is theoretically capable of speeds equal to Superman, but I also believe theory crafting and baseless fan speculation have no place on KMC. I don't care what a character might be able to do in the future, I care what a character has done, and Thor hasn't shown himself to be as fast as top tier streets like Spider-man. That applies to all characters.


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By pegg you mean make complelely up then yes.
Where was he stated as a high level superhuman, refresh my memory master.


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http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3615/34op.jpg

Compare and contrast. Thor is faster than Absorbing Man, and the same way Ali was faster than some of his other Heavy Weight opponents. Spider-man is faster than Absorbing Man in the way one person is faster than another person who happens to be completely encased in concrete.

It's like I'm psychic:
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But that doesn't count because there were no blurry afterimages right?


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I have no trouble believing that Thor is theoretically capable of speeds equal to Superman, but I also believe theory crafting and baseless fan speculation have no place on KMC. I don't care what a character might be able to do in the future, I care what a character has done, and Thor has shown himself to be as fast as top tier streets like Spider-man. That applies to all characters.
So you're saying he's shown to be slower or he just hasn't shown anything? That's what I'm asking.


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Yea, he can fly can't he?


He doesn't have unlimited ammo, though. And Wolverine doesn't have to tank every pumpkin bomb, he can evade them.


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Thor did far, far more in his scan, I think that more than makes up for him only moving "almost" faster than the mortal eye can see...rather than faster.

That doesn't even get into the fact that his scan was during the day, while Wolverine's was in a bar...places that aren't known for having great lighting.


The lighting had nothing to do with Wolverine vanishing during mid shot. Then his back was turned the entire time so he basically jumped of during the time they pressed the trigger.


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It's like I'm psychic:


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Do you really need someone to explain the difference between narrowly beating an opponent to a punch, and being depicted as stationary while an opponent dances around said stationary characters? Really? REALLY?

So sad.


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