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Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Lol anyone who disagrees is a troll....lol

People who think Iron Fist wins

Mindset
Seven Shackles
Sr J-bieb
Daredevil 1
Bently
Buster 1
Strarscream M

Yes because we all don't sleep with a wolverine blanky and nightlight we are all trolls.

LOL I didn't even mean to read his post it was an accident, but it was hillarious. You don't agree with me so the whole board is trolls.

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Originally posted by BUSTER1
Isn't current IF powered up from his classic levels-able to destroy a train with his chi. If so I reckon he takes Creed.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Neither Seven Shackles nor Daredevil, said that Iron Fist would win. They inquired about the relevancy of the early Creed vs Iron Fist fights, where Creed had no powers and Iron Fist beat him. Buster was wondering if Danny's bullet training punching feat was the norm, and it was explained to him that it wasn't and Danny was amping himself from an outside source at the time. Starscream flip flopped.

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Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So the retcon deleted his history of fights against Fist then, is what you're saying?

Scans?

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Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Buster flat out said he wins.........wtf is wrong with you!!!! Screw you I done with you for real this time. Maybe later you can join the Weapon X program.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's how things work. Subsequent character development contradict those early appearances, so we know they couldn't have transpired as they were originally depicted. We don't just assume that Sabretooth was retroactively operating at his standard levels just so you can have a leg to stand on.

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Originally posted by Daredevil1
I could be remembering wrong but I don't think I'm talking about when Ironfist beat him with Powerman.

It was another match when Creed's abilities were a bit more established and Danny was without his dragon enhancement.

As Danny used his own internal chi to deliver a chi punch on Creed.

Anyone remember?

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Neither Seven Shackles nor Daredevil, said that Iron Fist would win. They inquired about the relevancy of the early Creed vs Iron Fist fights, where Creed had no powers and Iron Fist beat him. Buster was wondering if Danny's bullet training punching feat was the norm, and it was explained to him that it wasn't and Danny was amping himself from an outside source at the time. Starscream flip flopped.

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Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Really, that's how things work? Something wasn't fully fleshed out at the time so we completely ignore it?

Good to know.

I'd say something about retcons... but it wasn't even that, it was just them explaining his powers later... even if, that's not how retcons work either. Unless they retcon the actual fight away

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Marvel Comics Presents. Sabretooth toyed with Danny, beating him down pretty effortlessly until he was punched into a dues ex machina electrical box which overloaded, exploded and collapsed a tunnel on top of him.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They didn't "explain his powers later," they added powers later. Which is different. Sabretooth wasn't a mutant when he first appeared in Iron Fist, he was just a strong, fast brawler. It was almost 10 years after he fist appeared in Iron Fist that someone decided Creed should be a Wolverine villain and he was given enhanced stats and a healing factor. He wasn't an "under developed" character, he was essentially a completely different character.

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Originally posted by Mindset
Back when Danny beat Sabretooth I don't think we even knew Danny liked Lucky Charms, now that he has more character development he stomps.

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Originally posted by Bentley
To be fair I wasn't "serious" when I said IF wins here, normally I take you and BH seriously because you've read Logan books, which is more than we can say about most people discussing here

Is this case I disagree when you say feats are retroactively affected by later developments. Korvac one-shotted the Collector back when he was presented as an old guy with tech, later on we learned he had powers that dwarfed those of herald level heroes, but that only made Korvac's showing incredibly impressive. Unless stated otherwise by a retcon, past showings aren't altered by new developments.

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Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Was Danny blinded at the time by any chance?

Sounds like explained to me. They expanded on the character, they explained why he's strong and fast.

Also, lol at him being a completely different character... He went from a strong fast brawler to a strong fast brawler... with a healing factor and enhanced senses!

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Originally posted by Juk3n
Trains..don't hit back.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

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Originally posted by Mindset
If they're moving towards you they do.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No he wasn't blind at the time.

He went from a strong and fast (but not abnormally so) human smuggler, to a super humanly strong and fast mutant merc and assassin with a healing factor.