The rematch is held at Madison Square Garden in New York City. At the start of the fight, Rocky sprints from his corner, fighting with a level of skill and spirit that no one, including Lang, expected. As a result Rocky completely dominates the first round, demonstrating his new-found speed. After the bell, Clubber, who is in a fit of rage over what has just happened, has to be restrained by his trainers. In the second round, Lang gains the upper hand, and Rocky adopts an entirely different strategy that bewilders Apollo; he intentionally takes a beating from Lang, (he gets knocked down at one point but manages to get up before he's counted out) whilst taunting him for being unable to knock him out.
In Round 3, Lang, who is used to winning fights swiftly with knockouts in the early rounds, becomes increasingly angry and quickly exhausts his energy trying to finish Rocky off with repeated knockout blows, most of which miss the newly-agile Rocky entirely. Rocky taunts Lang in order to psyche him out, with taunts such as, "My mother can hit harder than that'", and, "You ain't so bad, you ain't so bad, you ain't nothing". The quick-tempered Clubber is infuriated. He attacks even harder, walking right into Balboa's trap. The tide turns, and Rocky is able to overpower the winded and outfoxed Lang, landing blow after blow and dodging Lang's attempted punches before knocking him out. Rocky is declared the winner and his title as Heavyweight Champion is restored.
-- IMDB Synopsis
For the love of Odin, juggerquan. Rocky III's a blatant homage to Muhammad Ali v. George Foreman (Rumble in the Jungle) where Ali friggin' rope-a-dopes Foreman and wins. How can you be this dense after all this time?
Lang was not a "superior striker" do Soviet uberman Drago, who punches 2x Olympic and professional record holders in pure force.
You said Lang hit harder than Drago/was a better striker/was a bigger threat.
The first assertion has no evidence, and is blatantly contradicted by anything that isn't your opinion.
The second is false, since Rocky danced around Lang and Drago was too quick. So by analysis, Drago is a better striker in that he can actually tag Rocky more often AND he hits harder.
Now you're outright lying. I stated from the beginning that Drago was the bigger threat and the better boxer. You can't even twist my words properly. Want to look back and quote me saying Lang was a bigger threat or a better fighter? If you can't (you can't) then please concede to being the liar I know you to be.
I never asserted Lang was superior in anything other than punching power. If you want to try refute my stance then the very least you could do is figure out what the hell my stance is in the first place instead of just making shit up and pretending that I said it.
First off, the red herring mode is pretty impressive, to say the least. If it wasn't so been there, done that, got the t-shirt for KMC.
Second, you stated emphatically many times that Rocky in Rocky III is a valid measurement for Lang's "superior pow pow" compared to Drago. You did this despite evidence that indicated Drago is superhumanly strong (Rocky III 2k PSI punching scene compared with high-end RL measurements), despite that Sly gained more muscle and built up muscle not normally used by regular boxes in anticipation for Rocky IV (Sly's website, as I quoted before), and that despite your BS "Hurr Lang hits so hard Rocky is da scared" we have a multitude of evidence supporting that Rocky, in a nod to the famous Muhammad Ali v. George Foreman fight, flat out rope-a-doped him. Meaning his punches were weak as shit, didn't knock an in-shape Rocky out, and were much less devastating in theory and in practice compared to Drago's.
Third, I'm awaiting your concession, given that all of your evidence to date has been directly refuting everything else quoted, cited, or otherwise provided in Drago's favor, and then obfuscating shit with stupid hedging or misdirection, along with "HURR DICKBOI" comments.
So now you're magically off the "Oh you said shit you didn't say" wagon now? Please continue to tell me how I've stated Lang was a bigger threat or better striker. You know... what you said right here:
Now you're gonna pretend like you didn't make up that shit? Don't try to sweep it under the rug. Be a man and admit you were wrong. I'll even let you take the high road. You don't have to concede to being the liar I know you are. Just admit you made a mistake. Simple.
Then it should be pretty easy to prove I said Lang was the better striker and bigger threat right? I mean it's here in the thread correct? So quote it. I even went back for you and proved my stance has always been that Ivan was the bigger threat. Your turn. Nut up or shut up kid
So now that you've made me repeat myself to satisfy your BS, and further evaded that your initial claim and the sole point of contention - Lang's "superior hitting" - was never valid and has been destroyed beyond a reasonable doubt, hopefully you'll concede now. That is, if you're done lying through your teeth to avoid defeat.
1. To be fair I meant that solely to mean his strikes were superior in power not that he was a better overall striker. But I'll let that one go since I can see how it was taken.
2. Lang's hits were more of a threat than Drago's but Drago was more of an overall threat which I've stated time and again in this thread.
My point has been proven several times over. Which point would you like explained again?
This is hedging. Lang's punches were not as dangerous. For one, Rocky could dodge them, whereas he couldn't dodge Ivan as easily. Two, Lang ran out of steam in the time it takes to halfway nuke a TV dinner. Three, Rocky rope-a-doped Lang, mocking him and deliberately taking his shots. You said this was explicitly not the case, and you are without any evidence whatsoever to verify it.
Forcefully restated in different words =/= proven several times over.
1. I figured you would have known what I meant. Sorry that I gave you too much credit seeing as how I've stated that Lang was inferior to Drago in skill several times.
2. For one Rocky never tried to avoid Drago's hits. He chose to walk thru them instead. If you have to dodge Character A's hits but are able to take Character B's hits then we can clearly see Character A hit harder.
3. But giving clear evidence while you just spout assumptions is proving the point. Screen feats>>>>>>your assumptions.
I provided evidence. You said "LOLNOPE, DOESN'T SUPPORT MY BIAS" and ignored it. Your evidence consists of "MY BIAS, AS IT TRANSLATES VIDEO EVIDENCE AND IGNORES EVERYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING COMMON SENSE AND SLY STALLONE".
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