Well, I believe at the time of making of this thread that Madara hadn't shown off his new 6 Paths thingy. So I was still going with the whole him having all the powers thing.
Which, it's not like it matters. In Madara's case, the 6 Paths would be way more effective than in Nagato's. So in that case, he probably could beat Madara prime.
^ Who knows. The original paths were restricted to Path abilities, with the possible exception of Deva. Of course, Madara's Paths have the Sharingan, so it's likely that they'll get Sharingan abilities as well as Path abilities.
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Except, you know, things like Izanagi and the six paths which we know for a fact he didn't have back in the day. We know this because Madara himself told it to us. So if you are claiming that he had that power in his prime, you are wrong. And if you think Madara claimed such during the Kage meeting, it was either retconned or it doesn't mean what you think it means. Or Madara lied, just like he has lied about a million and a half things. But now we are supposed to take this phrase as gospel, and not only that, extrapolate it into saying that he could use Izanagi in his youth, which we KNOW is wrong.
I do not see anyone mentioning he had Izanagi back then. Or the Six paths.
What we are saying is his total capabilities as a ninja are strongly emphasized to be significantly higher than his current at the time of the summit.
No one said he had all the powers he has now back then. We do not know how he was stronger, as it is not a topic that has been opened up in the series.
Please read what people are writing more carefully in the future to avoid this complete and utter mistranslation of a point.
Well its the powers he has right now that make him so ridiculously broken right now. The main point I was trying to make with this thread was that the unique abilities he has, now allow him to take wins against characters with much greater "total capabilities" than he has. Right now you can look back on this thread, and see strong arguments for him taking the win against Bleach and One Piece characters who are way stronger than any ninja.
Even if they do have the same "total capabilities" prime Madara has no answer for any of the numerous abilities at the current one's disposal.
Well to be honest there's no chance he's killing any of the Bleach characters i recall being spoken about (Aizen, Espada*) . One piece... I know little of so eh.
*(maybe 9, 8 & 7, simply because I don't like them and I wouldn't defend them)
The problem with your statement is you're talking like you know what he was capable of in his prime. You don't. We don't. So saying he has no answer for powers the current version has is just complete and utter nonsense. This whole thing is an assumption that he was stronger based on the words of Madara himself and Onoki. What made him stronger, we don't know. But to assume that current Madara is stronger against all evidence against would just be being obstinate. Yes, he has some very powerful tools now he didn't have back then. But by his own recognition he is 'a shell of his former self' not a perfect quote, but very near. Until proven otherwise it seems as you would say 'Obvious' that Madara in his prime is stronger than his current.
"We have no idea what new amazing shit Madara may or not be able to pull off with the Rinngean and no idea how it compares to his past powerset due to its ambiguity, therefore everyone in this discussion is arguing out of conjecture and has their head up their own ass."
The fact that that took two, almost three pages, to establish, is a crime against humanity.
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That said. I established that early on. That it's only now it has to be sliced into smaller increments to be understood.... well I am less inclined to disagree with you there.
And Hey. Still trolling around are you? Lazy ass =p
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Hey shut up.
When have you ever been inclined to disagree with me?
Hey, hey, hey. You're one to talk, little lady. You had us thinking you'd officially cleaned your hands of this place. Or did you just miss me?
I'll make you a sandwhich alright, a KNUCKLE SANDWHICH, YA MOOK.
And... for the record. Everything I say here, is spoken with a cheesy New Yorker Christopher Walken-esque accent. Get with it.
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Think of a far more mobile Nagato with S/T jutsu, intangibility, Hashirama's power, and knowledge of Izanagi.
The same Nagato that effortlessly pwned Naruto & Bee in seconds, mind you.
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There is not one thing you posted that disagrees with me. Full self + additional eye powers.
If you read any more into Madara's word, you're wrong. We know it will restore im to full power...because he said so and others assumed it would. If you want to call "lies".
How dare you make me laugh at 80s highschool movie humor.
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