Called "The Unconquered," through his proven power in combat, strongest on his world, yadda yadda. Kinda a badass.
She has feats showing as a melee warrior in general she's on a skill level somewhere around Black Canary and Batman.
Then, when rendered powerless, given a sword and matched up against great fighters, she held the edge.
She doesn't have any feats suggesting she's not on high level, while possessing several that do.
I sense that you are only adding that retroactively.
But hey, here's another one: Diana manages to knock Logan back hard enough that he drops the sword. She then hits his blade into orbit with hers. By the rules of the fight, Logan is now no longer allowed to attack her at all.
Nope, she's still class 100, which in comic in no way requires incredible speed as you well know, and she's shown herself to not be in the slightest bit clumsy with a blade whether you like it or not.
To point out the obvious, that she is immensely talented in combat is a significant part of her character.
So, are we done talking about a Diana you made up only in your head...?
ok, so claw is a badass who (as described by you) WW only performed "fine" against; am I missing something? this is a remarkable feat?
ok....so she's a great melee warrior who batman has held is own against occassionally. so what? your follow up about "great fighters" is limp beyond words. who are these "great fighters"? Claw maybe?
I sense that you haven't read enough wolverine....however, so long as were making up scenarios. here's mine. with WW's super speed turned off, logan destroys WW within 10 seconds with an attack that has decades of feats & backstory to back it up.
power equals strength x speed. "incredible" speed isn't her super speed which is turned off here; her power would be dimished. logan has defeated abomination & taken mutiple punches from WW hulk (and recovered almost instantly) while ares was KO with one hit.
no one is making anything up. WW has been without super speed on occassions; she doesn't have many sword feats to speak of. that's Fail.
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Fine as in winning... and it shows she's high level against a very skilled foe.
I mean, it's like, "Oh, sure, so-and-so was performing well against Connor Hawke in archery. What makes you think they're a good shot?". Your comments are non-sequitors.
So... Batman is a top-tier combatant. We're talking about how Wonder Woman does against top-tier combatants.
Are you somehow missing how this answers your questions about her skill?
Claw (who's on a similar level to Red Sonja who's on a similar level to Conan the Barbarian), and Beowulf, Batman, Black Canary...
Listen, using sarcasm quotes doesn't actually make these not skill feats. Your argument is based entirely on use of quotes as if it somehow diffused a point.
She and Superman and Sentry and so many others don't need speed to crush a tank between two fingers.
A flick of her wrist has more power than Logan's whole arm.
That doesn't change that strength does matter against him and it's a lot different having his skeleton take a blow, and trying to hold on to a sword while being sent flying/while the impact is transferred through his hands.
Wonder Woman is a heck of a lot more agile and skilled than those foes are.
She just has enough to shoot down your entire point
You're making up that she's poor with a sword based on wishful thoughts and ignoring that all evidence points to her being quite good with a sword (through the power of sarcasm quotes!).
so, you've gone from saying she performed "fine" against Claw, to "fine as in winning". did she WIN? do you have proof? Is this an attempt to somehow suggest these feats even come close to decades of feats & backstory which place logan among one of the best swordsman in the marvel universe? even if these two WW feats suggest she's formidable with a sword...logan is beyond formidable.
as for non-sequitors, check out your own logic regarding batman. if batman is able to hold his own against WW, how the hell does WW have a better chance with logan who has 10x the durability of batman, the same level (if not MORE strength), and arguably greater proficiency with a sword. sorry, WW brawling it out with batman does NOT support your arguement at all. Fail.
you referenced "great fighters" in an attempt to vaguely suggest more characters (and feats) exsisted outside of the same two. beowulf/claw. whom she didn't even win against.
if strength were truly the deciding variable against logan, then logan wouldn't have defeated abomination or recovered from a vicious WW hulk beating in moments. WW hulk's strength > WW's. logan is better with a sword and potentially quicker in this fight; he can easily parry WW's attack & or dodge them through stealth, agility, and by crouching.
and you're making up that I'm making up that she's poor with a sword; she's not poor with a sword...she's just not even close to logan's level. dueling with beowulf & claw (and not clearly defeating them) points to formidability; however, if you're trying to suggest that after 70+ years of WW, that these two feats are even near the same league as logan's decade after decade of feats that rank him among one of the best swordsman in the marvel universe....then your accusation of wishful thinking is called projection.
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This reminded me of that scene from (I think) Wonder Woman Vol 2 where Circe absorbed Diana's powers and said something to the effect of "I had no idea it felt this good to be able to level mountains with but a shrug of my shoulder."
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