One headbutt and McClane would probably submit. The guy wasn't living in a postapocalyptic environment like Zan was. I will allow you and rob in this thread to pull Van Zan off of him before he kills him.
Actually he is no stranger to headbuttage himself.
Both doling it out, and taking 'em too.
Hes hardly likely to start crying because of this powder puff.
Unfamiliar with post apocalyptic environments? Even without the surviving in lots of different types of environments that we've seen in the movies as evidence;- he grew up in New Jersey.
And if an environment wasn't post-apocalyptic before McClane's patronizing the area, it its sure as shit to be after he leaves...
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Another thing that factors in fights and hasn't been brought up, intelligence and fast-thinking.
-McClane runs out of bullets, he quickly resorts to launching a Ford at a helicopter. Genius.
-Van Zan runs out of ammo, he commits suicide by jumping directly into a dragon's mouth. Idiocy.
Had Van Zan been replaced with McClane in that scenario, McClane would have launched a tank into the dragon's mouth previously rigged with C4 and detonated it, thereby saving the day once again.
Getting you ass kicked repeatedly isn't something to brag about. Zan was a dragon killer. McClane fights human beings. The only time we see a mere human dare to sucker punch Zan he was promptly dealt with.
Reign of Fire threats>>>>>all McClane threats combined.
Getting hit is not losing a fight if you're alive and your opponent is dead at the end.
Van Zan didn't beat a dragon to death, now did he. He used a team and a helicopter.
Considering McClane isn't a dragon and Van Zan lacks both his team and a helicopter, clear advantage goes to McClane here, who has four movies worth of killing humans under his belt, compared to Denton 'Cotton-Fist' Van Zan's zero.
No, he didn't beat a dragon to death he did however know how to kill them. McClane fights opponents he can kill with a few bullets while Zan takes on threats who laugh off mere gunfire.
Zan doesn't need a team to take down McClane whose a human not a dragon. He sonns him like he did Quinn.
So my point stands, Van Zan's ability to kill a dragon with the help of a team and helicopter give him zero advantages in this fight. Glad you agree.
No one's arguing that Van Zan couldn't hit McClane, it will happen in this fight. He's just not taking McClane out with those cotton-fist and his greatest fight feat of giving an average guy a bruise and cut lip.
Stop betting on a lame horse and find a thoroughbred for McClane to fight already.
His feats include beating up on average guy and barely being able to damage him, taking out a dragon with the help of several other people and a helicopter, jumping into the mouth of a dragon. Clearly signs of greatness.
I'd be upset if I backed a lame horse like Van Zan here, but I didn't, that monkey is solely on your back.
Challenge for you to find McClane a proper match still stands. Giddy up and do it.
He wasn't average in terms of being a leader; it terms of fighting he was definitely average, he threw an average punch and did some average street-wrestling. This is what Van Zan "dominated", an average fighter and Van Zan barely managed to harm him. Dude dusted himself off and walked away from the fight with minor wounds.
You've won nothing. Good; be sure to make it a proper thread, no stompage on either side nor spite. I will destroy your arguments then too.
Based on his physique why is he an average fighter ? Is it because you say so. Zan made him look less than average because he's a man's man. Zan would have killed him so the damage done is mute as the point was Zan was >>>him unlike that punching bag McClane.
Ah, so now when McClane loses it's spite but when he wins the guy he's fighting is a bum. It's not just me who sees you as this McClane fanatic. Look around you, sport.
Being physically fit doesn't mean you're a good fighter in of itself, so your premise is flawed and outright retarded. We saw Quinn fight, he did nothing special or above average. Deal.
LoL, nice tactic. I said make a proper thread with no stompage or spite on either side, ie make a fair thread. Seems you can't.
Based on everything we know about the character nothing about him says average. Nothing about Zan says slightly above average either. If you want to close your eyes and pretend everyone is awek when stacked up against the luckiest hero in all of movies to convince yourself he wins that is your problem.
I did make a fair thread you aren't even aware of the character or the movie yet cry foul.
Based on his fighting we see in the film, Quinn was an average fighter with nothing special under his belt. Deal with it.
I've not seen Fallen, why I said I can't comment on McClane winning or losing. Everyone else in that thread who has seen Fallen says McClane and Riggs have no chance. So it seems you can't make a proper McClane Vs *Someone* thread. It's cool; McConcession accepted.
Because he took on an elite fighter. Based off of everything claiming he's average without proof is illogical.
Most on this forum think McClane is a board joke and comment on it. You've damaged the character before I ever even came here. Blame yourself for the McClane resentment. I'm just an honest guy trying to debate fictional movie characters here.
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