You didn't imagine it, but Frodo did. It was just a dream, remember.
With Luffy he has solid feats that prove his strength. That they don't go flying is narrative convenience. The staff thrusts do not have established power behind them.
Prove the power of these staff thrusts. Plus Quan makes a good point with Saruman getting shanked by Wormtongue.
By the way, are we counting the extended editions in this?
I disagree. Replace Gandalf with Voldemort in the War of the Ring and things would have gone much smoother. Voldemort alone would have wrecked the 3 battles you mentioned, at the least doing much, much more damage than Gandalf with his sword. Voldemort just has so much more offensive magic than him.
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Yeah, only it wasn't just a dream. It was reality. Inception mindfvck!
Clearly you didn't see Gandalf stripping Saruman of his powers, and hence the only reason why Wormtongue was able to kill him.
Yes, it's part of the film...
Y'know, Gandalf and the other Istari were sent from the Undying Lands not to showcase their magical abilities, but counter Sauron, not by power, but by rallying the Free Peoples of Middle Earth.
If Gandalf wanted to go all-out, he would have caused a lot more devastation than just hewing down Orcs with Glamdring.
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Gandalf kills Voldemort.
BTW, Gandalf seems to have a sense of precognition, in that he already counters the Three Hunter's ambush with blinding light. And then he practically owns them in the next several seconds.
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Gandalf: "Through fire and water. From the lowest dungeon..."
Gandalf and the Balrog land in the water at the end of their free-fall. When they came out of the water, they would have found themselves at the lowest dungeon.
Gandalf: "Saruman, your staff is broken."
Gandalf expelled Saruman from the order of Istari (aka removed his powers), and shattered his staff to prove it.
They weren't deleted scenes, but additional scenes meant for the trilogy that were removed to keep the cinematic versions in reasonable film times.
Yeah, I argued that in the Balrog thread as well, which I should probably return to, but meh, whatever...
All right, but in fight, we are assuming Gandalf isn't held back by the conditions of his presence at Middle-Earth, but instead will fight freely.
Possibly, but Aragorn and Legolas are master trackers, and would have detected another presence before said figure would have discovered them.
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Thats very weak evidence if ever I saw it. I think its a bit much to say the dream 100% happened from 2 obscure sentences.
Do better.
Yis, yis, I know that. I'm just saying, I would have thought that durability wouldn't leave him because of his staff being broken, it would be more about his physical body.
But who cares, he doesn't have uber durability anyway.
Again, I'd like forum policy to decide.
No, he never used these uber powers you're talking about and he's never mentioned having them in the movies. Its in the forum rules, movie feats only.
So? He obviously knew they were there. He went to them, remember. They stop stock still in the middle of a clearing and waited for him to find them.
Givening him precognition because of this is stupid. If he had precognition he'd have known about the Balrog pulling him down into Moria.
He doesn't. Gandalf's never shown the magical capacity to counter the myriad of spells that Voldemort has at his command. To give Gandalf due credit, he showed rather impressive speed and reflexes blocking Gimli's and Legolas' attacks in TTT, but I doubt very much that he's going to be tossing aside a Killing Curse or the Cruciatus Curse so easily.
And what's this repeated nonsense that "Gandlaf is a Maiar, so he can't be killed"? Despite the fact that the Ainur beings are never actually mentioned in the films, The Return of the King does in fact show a Maiar being stabbed in the back (by a Man) and landing on a wooden spike---dead.
And where's this fantastic magical combative prowess that Gandalf is claimed to possess? Last I recall he wasn't disintegrating Orcs or Uruks with his powers---he was fighting close-quarter melees with a sword in Fellowship and RotK (as both Grey and White, respectively). Where are his death blasts, his incinerating columns of fire, his teleportation? Voldemort has all that, and more. What's Gandalf going to use to counter him? His flashlight? His ability to crack rocks? His bubble shield that he never used more than twice despite how incredibly useful it would have been? Maybe he's going to wreck the shit out of Voldemort's wand, because it's made of wood---though I wonder how many non-magical catapults and siege weapons he could have destroyed at Pelennor and why he abstained.
One Avada Kedavra and it's all over for Gandalf.
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Voldemort can get past Gandalf's PIS shield. /thread
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Because it's not... It's what happened, and if you seriosuly think it was all a dream... Well you would be an idiot. That's really all that needs to be said.
Oh well that's good. I hate all that taunting, exposition and peacocking in epic duels. PIS sucks.
Avada Kedavra. Voldemort solos in 1.8 seconds.
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