My ploy to use a character you like against you has failed. I didn't expect this.
I'm not recalling much of the specifics concerning this, honestly.
I can't even pretend that I didn't forget most of those. I'm particularly ashamed about forgetting Minato and Kushina's, which happened recently.
Though I didn't count Sarutobi since, well, that requires dying.
<3
But on that note, I now take my leave in terms of debating in this thread. I can't come up with a convincing counter-argument at the moment, and as such concede. Which means it's not really necessary to respond to this post.
mito get's too much credit, and when put to the test against kisame (who is handicapped on purpose) nothing convincing is brought up to justify her supposed status. (please log in to view the image)
not sure how that's whining but whatever, it's water off of an incandescent duck's back
It's only not-convincing to you in the sense of you ignoring everything being brought up.
Which says nothing about the arguments and a lot about your ability to stick your fingers in your ears ^^
Also- seriously, what is up with thinking Kisame, slayer of Jinchuuriki, is handicapped against a Jinchuuriki? He handled 4-tails solo and did incredibly well against Killerbee. He is one of the most dangerous S-mid characters for a host face!
Assume any random ninja X: if x has an ability that bumped X's speed up to almost unparalleled levels, a large strength boost, and an ESP "how evil are they?" sensing ability, X automatically becomes an S-class threat.
Let us put it this way: Naruto could keep up, without problem, to A. A was the fastest ninja alive. So fast that it could doop the Sharingan's predictive abilities. That's a broken ability and there's very few who can defend against such speed. Even Kisame, who I think is a beast in Taijutsu, was shocked by it.
that's the thing: mito is getting all of that for free when for all we know she could just sense evil intent. tobi didn't mention anything but that ability so i'm not going to do it either.
the kyuubi grants this ability (the only common denominator here), and the seal and circumstances that surround the sealing within mito were different than naruto, so i'm not jumping to conclusions without proof.
The Kyuubi does not grant this ability. The mode grants this ability. If it was just the Kyuubi, Naruto would demonstrate the ability while harnessing the Kyuubi's chakra outside the mode. He doesn't.
Well, he probably did use his full strength against Bee. I don't think he used his fullspeed though. Not that it would matter cause Bee never actually proved himself to be faster than A.
Either KCM does it, or two people have the exact same prerequisites for the same incredibly rare ability yet somehow get it via different means.
We know that drawing on kyuubi chakra without the mode draws in the Kyuubi's evil and makes one beastial, which rather precludes being a good sensor- no prior level granted any sensor ability at all, let alone the highest forum of sensor ability in the world. We also know that being able to draw upon the chakra without the mind is what lets you get as much as you need and thus KCM.
Do you have any evidence supporting this 'coincidental different methods to get a nigh-unique ability' hypothesis of yours? Because that's the conclusion you're jumping to.
Broken clones of brokenness were what I've been thinking of
With the broken clone effect, Mito would probably win with KCM, yeah. I don't see any reason why she wouldn't know how to make clones. One could perhaps make the argument that she is not aware of the inherent broken nonsense using clones in that form brings however, though it seems like something someone would try.
The manga directly stated that Bee surpassed his brother. Not his brother holding back.
Before Bee was shown to surpass him, the flashback directly brings up A chewing Bee out about not being able to match his speed using the Lariat.
Bee at the least matched the speed of the Lariat and exceeded it in power.
Naruto himself directly notes that a straight punch from A might kill him.
I'll just note that as long as you have the broken clones of brokenness (such a great name), it could be 80% of A and B and it'd still be crazy high power.
"You're only the second person to dodge my top-speed punch."
Bee didn't dodge it, he matched it.
If there is a difference in speed between A and Bee, it isn't very large.
Not sure what you mean.
Or it could be both. The notion that A, despite being in his second level Lightning Release form, was going slower than normal, has no backing.
That said, I did misremember the flashback, I'll admit that.
You said KCM grants superior physical stats to Bee.
Speed? Yeah.
Strength? Demonstratably not.
Durability? Bee took the Lariat to the neck while overpower it, compared to Naruto who admitted that at full contact being hit by A would screw him. Do note Naruto said this concerning an A who was still in his "calmer" Lightning Shroud.
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