No, his best feat is uprooting a tree, in the mountains, in the frozen ground, by applying a transverse force to the tree. It's 5 times harder, on average, to uproot a tree that direction. FYI.
Indeed. Edward is stronger than all of them. Pretty lame to compare them, imo.
The writers that go overboard and right outrageous feats that are very out of character have no authority, in my view. This is also part of why I avoid the CBVF for the most part. It's just a wank fest of PIS feats half the time. I love some of my brothers in the CBVF...but I just can't be bothered by the b.s. (most of the time...sometimes...I give in to temptation and post).
Do better than a "nuh uhhh".
Generally, I couldn't be arsed to look it up, as well. But I found it in like 15-30 seconds.
I'm old-school. I thought she was still in the 50-70 tons area.
Also, I keep bringing her up because I'd **** the utter living shit out of She-Hulk if she were real. One of the best boner-inducing characters from Marvel.
You should be asking me why I keep bringing up thing, though: it's because both Thing and Edward are like....stone.
Holy shit...I was right? That was ages ago.
If you do...and prove it...I may be arsed to post 2-3 ways Ulq showed excellent intelligence. Don't ask for scans...because I'm still not motivated enough to read through dozens of chapters.
Really, Dadudemon? You're serious in saying Ed is stronger? I hope you're joking, unless you're talking about the movie versions. Even then, Movie Thing is stronger/more durable than any vamp.
In the comics, Colossus has tunneled through billions of tons of rock, caught a spaceship falling out of the sky that was large enough to make him look like a dot in comparison. Even yanked a tree root out of the ground and pulled up almost the entire root system with it. That's just a few things. Basically, comparing them is like comparing an MMA fighter with a 5th grader.
He brought up She-Hulk, Colossus, Thing, and Sasquatch. Two of whom are comic only characters, and talked about comic feats and fights. DaDude actually thinks Edward Cullen is above those guys level.
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Those guys could stomp the ground. Once the Twivamp is in the air he loses his momentum, an aerial grab and they break him in half over their knees. Thunderclaps as well.
The funniest is Sasquatch. That would be the most brutal yet also fitting considering the environment.
We haven't once seen anything but the anti-vamp units, Werewolves, take out a vampire...OR another vampire take out another vampire.
As fact, Carlisle said no human army could stand against just 20 newborn vampires. Let's not forget that Carlisle may possibly be the most educated man on the entire planet.
Tunneling through rock and actually LIFTING tons of rocks are entirely different things. Applying a semi-decent force with a small surface area can accomplish the same. You do realize this is how a drillbit can drill through concrete, right? The same drills that can do that...I can stop with my bare hands (grabbing the holder piston thingie)....yet, it is still strong enough to drill through solid concrete with a sharp new masonry bit.
If it weighed well more than 100 tons, it is just idiotic PIS.
That's approaching Edward-levels of strength.
You mean comparing Edward to Colossus's and Thing's standard feats (that are in character) to Edward's feats that are also in character is like comparing Green Scar to Sasquatch (I'll give you a hint: Edward would be Green Scar in the comparison: tee hee). Of course, I am exaggerating, but no more than you are...I'm just exaggerating with the correct direction.
I disagree. Edward is in the 200-400 tons level, iirc. Edward is also bullet-proof.
I would put Colossus durability as better than Edward's, for sure. But it is not that much different. I don't think Piotr can shatter Edward. It takes twivamp levels of strength.
lol. Nice.
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And if you think that's decent, wait until I actually put in some effort into looking for feats. Cosmic characters like Drax in particular are going to have you wigging out.
Edit: Your idea that handbooks are the standard or somehow invalidate on panel showings is retarded. They're at best a secondary source and are worthless when it comes to measuring power the way you are. Thing, Colossus, and other second tier bricks have left 100 tons in the dust a while ago.
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I automatically dismiss complete bullshit feats like that. It's out of character and PIS to the max. Wrong thread to have you bullshit Comic Book versus discussions in, btw.
Additionally, Thing would not have been able to get any leverage on such a beast because he'd just sink into the soft soft muddy "ground".
Additionally, this is the MVF. Go by movies. Ben experienced what appeared to be maximum effort when trying to hold up that Firetruck on the bridge.
Keeping things in context and with the correct sub-forums is important.
What is the weight of a fully loaded firetruck? About 40,000 pounds, or 20 tons.
Gooooood daaaaay sir!
1. Page not found. You should try harder on finding a "live" link from the CBRT.
2. I automatically dismiss complete bullshit feats like that. It's out of character and PIS to the max. Wrong thread to have you bullshit Comic Book versus discussions in, btw.
3. Tossing a 250 ton Jumbo Jet is out of character and PIS to the max for Sasquatch. Automatically is a shit feat and should always be eliminated from consideration in any thread especially vs. threads unless the thread starter wants to put in shit feats like that. This is my opinion, of course. This is also why I prefer Manga/Anime and movie vs. discussions more: there's less plot induced stupidity via waaaaaay out of character feats. I blame it on stupid American Comic book story writers.
I'm pissing myself, right now.
Your idea that shit writing and out of character performances should be accepted in CBVF is retarded (also why I do not frequent that place). The official guides are not just for the fans: it is to ground dumbass writers who have routinely taken shit too far and give characters feats that are out of character. That doesn't stop the writers or the editors from going ahead with those out of characters feats, though.
Keep in mind that you should stick to the Movie feats inside this place, sir.
Regardless, Edward is still stronger than Sasquatch or Thing based on the same feats and conditions you have supplied. I'll just throw in a the same bullshit writing and PIS for an Edward comic and now Edward is can throw two Jumbo Jets with one hand each (that's not that far off for him, movie feat wise as he's already pushing the hundreds of tons lifting category...I know, it probably pains you to read that).
Derp. He's the Juggernaut, nao. Derpy derpy doooo!
Is this some kind of joke? You adhere to handbooks, at best a second hand non canon source and you dismiss on panel showings? This isn't Spider-Man beating Firelord. I'm sorry, but you don't get to throw out feats willy nilly because you don't like them.
You were discussing the comic versions of the character no? If so, it's relevant.
The fact that your entire argument revolves around doing math doesn't help you any. Characters of this nature aren't that feat heavy, but I'm sure you have no problem figuring out how much force it takes to send Hulk flying through a mountain etc.
If you're going to dismiss every showing I post because you don't like it then just tell me now so I wont waste my time. I can't show a person that they're wrong if they won't even accept the evidence.
That was Saquatch's first appearance, and yet it's PIS? Lol, wow.
Wait until you see Drax busting a planet, tearing a Star in half etc.
You want to throw out any showing that contradicts your opinion and yet my stance -accepting what happens on panel- is retarded? The irony.
You not only think handbooks are accurate, you believe writers pay them any heed? Haha.
Well I'm discussing purely the comic incarnations. If we can't do it here, let's continue this in the comic book section. I'm not that knowledgeable on these particular characters so I'm certain there are a few high end feats that I've forgotten that will be posted. Can't wait until K-M sees that you don't think Sasquatch is class 100.
I guess my earlier question is answered. No matter how much evidence I post, if you won't be swayed, then I won't bother anymore.
I'm curious how far your willing to take this adherence to handbooks. For a decent amount of time, Thor was at 95 tons (No one cared enough to change it at the time), do you stand by this?
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I love how dadudemon plays the "NOT MOVIE RELEVANT" shit, yet just before he was perfectly willing to say that Edward was stronger than their comic incarnations.
Why are you playing that card now that someone cared enough to put forward feats that prove you wrong dadudemon?
Thing would not have been able pick up the Louvre Pyramid. The flexing, alone, would have caused the glass to shatter and the supporting metal "skeleton" would have bent quite easily. His tiny hands on a large structure may also make it impossible to actually pick it up: the metal would just bend under the force of his hands.
Sh*t feat is still sh*t. This feat is closer to something I would accept, however, because it is much closer to his supposed strength.
1. The pressure plates may not have reached maximum in force at that point as it was being gradually increased for safety reasons by Reed.
2. That's 1-ton a square inch.
That does not show us an actual strength feat because the context is left ambiguous.
Regardless, it is much easier to stand stationary and resist a force. That feat is more in line with durability (the ability to avoid having your bones/arms snap) than it is strength. Ben just went "full-power" before all forces were applied by the pressure plates. It speaks more to Ben's idiocy and bull-headedness than it does his actual strength.
You mean it doesn't help you any.
Cool. I figured as much. Context was key. This was the Tanaraq version.
No, not dismiss every showing.
Perhaps you didn't read (you didn't):
Learn a little about Marvel before you start spouting off feats.
That was his Tanaraq form. Walter is not nearly as strong as he used to be because he is no longer linked to that Great Beast form.
No, I will throw out any feat that absurdly eclipses the characters decided upon power set...because...
Then GTFO. No one is forcing you to stay here.
No thank you.
Here's why:
OOHH BOY!
Well, you've clearly shown your ignorance concerning Sasquatch. Guess you didn't know he was greatly depowered?
You are correct. You question was already answered before you even posted. This is why you should read.
Lastly, I can always fall back on "This is the MvF."
YES!
Use the character iterations in your vs. matchups that YOU the thread starter want. This is done well and consistently in the CBVF. Do you not see it? I do.
This is the beauty of being the thread starter: set your thread conditions.
I apologize that you weren't paying attention to the beginning of our conversation but this is what I had stated from the very beginning when you brought it up.
I don't abide by the atrocious out of character feats that cause horrendous amounts of PIS in American Comic Books. This is also why I do not post very often in the Comic Book Versus Section: there's a sh*t ton of contradictions even from the same versions of characters.
Just to show that you're wrong about what I'm doing, please observe exhibit A:
As you can tell, I was joking but there is truth to my words. Therein lies my problems with many American Comic books. The problem stems from editors not forcing writers to have to re-write their sh*t when they go overboard. The problem is also writers who seem to have Alzheimer's when it comes to the established guidelines for character's abilities.
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Funny how this turned from Werewolf vs Werewolf to how much better Edward is than the Underworld vampires.
So.....how do the Twilight wolves match up? I have no idea of their feats but considering they can keep up with the Twivamps then I guess they win? However since I've heard otherwise, I'm even more confused.
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Don't ask for scans...because I'm still not motivated enough to read through dozens of chapters.
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