I looked up "Edward Cullen pushes over tree" on youtube and didn't get a satisfactory result. I don't know the context of the scene or even what movie it was in, and I don't own any of the Twilight movies.
Also, the picture that KM posted, is that the same tree, or is Edward for some reason some kind of anti-hippy who beats up trees?
How about you stop? You can only pretend to be lazy for so long. Stop using it as a crutch. I found it in about 20 seconds. Wallow in your ignorance for all I care.
No, not the same tree. That looks like a pose picture. I just watched the clip and at no point does Edward look like that.
I took a second screen shot, for posterity, which shows edward side by side with the tree. Looks a bit smaller than a meter in diameter but not by much (I have a meter stick right here ) Robert is also taller than I am, sooo...I am using my own body as the measure.
Just so you know I'm not pulling your chain, here's a screen shot from the vid I just watched:
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Now cry more about how lazy you are.
Edit - Notice the fatness of the tree at the bottom. Notice how it is not nearly as "straight up and down" like the tree in the other screen shot provided?
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The answer is no, that's not how it works. Inertia and sustained forces are not the same thing.
If you punch a tree hard enough to knock it over with a fist, you're more likely to punch into the tree than knock it over.
No. That's not how it would work. He would still have to exert, pretending the tree is alive, enough force to start the process. You're forgetting that fully grown, alive-tree, has more inertia than a stump. The initial force required to knock it over would be significantly greater than then force require to start the horizontal pull on a tree stump. Sure, it becomes easier as it starts to fall over but it is initially harder. I believe I explained this in the thread you viewed.
But you're also forgetting that Edward is about 4 feet up on the tree. He has leverage. But wait, there's more! The ground is also much stiffer and moist than the soil usually is around a tree stump. This tree is also alive. Denser soil, tougher soil, equates to many unknown forces.
I figure it doesn't matter since we know it's somewhere in the hundreds of kN of force. So I'll stick with 300 kN of force. I did start to work on the leverage the 4 foot (a bit more than 1 meter) pushing would provide but I don't think it did much for me, iirc.
You never asked me to provide a better screen shot.
No it wasn't, it was even resolved way back in Alpha Flight volume one when Tanaraq even took over Snowbird
This was also explained when Tundra took over the human host which they explained was like Walter and Tanaraq. Your arguing on-panel statements now?
Except it is stated as such and in Omega Flight Tanaraq actually possessed Walter, and in Vol.1 he possessed Snowbird on more then one occasion and that is the body he is currently using. So no...your wrong. This is even varified in the recent handbook which you love so much.
This is fact.
Sure in the body he currently is using now is the thing that destroyed his old body. Not only has it been stated it's his EXACT same body, and the fact Tanaraq has since taken over the same body. More examples, Box v2 which could press 85 tons it was stated it wasn't even HALF the strength of Sasquatch and that was during his time when he was Wanda (white Sasquatch), Walter also punched a hole in the trans-displacement dimension, went shot for shot with Hercules and Thor was none the worse for wear, 616 Sasquatch also beat an alternate reality Savage Hulk, one-shotted Mr.Hyde, Vision was phasing inside his body attacking his organs and he was shocked that Walter was healing his organs in seconds, one-shotted She Hulk with a claw swipe, then in the recent Alpha Flight series he caught and redirect a boat that was thrown by a tidalwave. Shall I continue?
His current body DESTROYED his old one, yet your claiming it's weaker? Lulz!
Comics and handbooks say otherwise
Nice attempt at deflection, but as shown you dont know what your talking about
and the characters you say Edward is stronger then have been said the same thing and have far more impressive feats then that yet your don't credit them as they hurt your case? Lulz
Not really, because following your logic that is an outlier so it's ignored as your ignoring the other's feats of strengths. Love to see some more class 100 feats from vampires. Have anymore? If you don't...well...there goes your example
haha suuuuure
Based on what?
Wrong again, and that was even before the time he was really losing himself to Tanaraq nor did he even know about Tanaraq at the time. I love the fact you never actually countered my points, yet you still claim you know what your talking about? hmmm....
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You're not even arguing against what I said. Everything you just typed is irrelevant to my point.
Here: Tanaraq was killed.
Move from there.
YES, continue! This is what you're not getting.
Because he has strained with forces much smaller than 20 tons indicating that his limits are wildly fluctuating.
Give me something movies to go by, however.
Okay, I can do that too:
I reject out of character feats and Sasquatch is less than 100 ton class with no limit actually known. Writers just write whatever they want. I'm going with the less than 20 ton version.
Seems like what you're doing. You "buddies" called you from the CBVF because they couldn't handle it. Now you've derailed the thread because you're made that you will never convince a person that has already stated he rejects ON PANEL evidence.
Wrong: it's not an outlier. It is a low-end feat. One of his best feats, imo, is deflecting a van with just his hand as though it were made entirely of paper. We as humans can't even do that with a small rubber ball (we aren't strong enough to show no "force" upon our hand if a rubber ball is thrown at it).
That would be the outlier. There is no way to objectively determine how strong Edward is. We have a general idea that they 100 ton class and the stronger ones are just simply stronger than the others.
However, the feats of sasquatch post Tanaraq death are much more "wild" and it is much more difficult to determine his strength. I stick with a sub-20 ton version because I don't like the wildly fluctuating feats that are used by false character opposition plot devices. I have stated this, in other terms, since Nemebro first asked me about it. I have not minced words, I have not hidden my bias or agenda, or anything.
Since Edward would not play around, he'd destroy Sasquatch in less than a second.
Again, you're wrong. What I said:
"Tanaraq form. He's not even close to that strong, anymore. Thank you for playing."
Just because he was not aware he was channeling Tanaraq, does not mean he wasn't. That's a very silly counter argument. I like how you don't really respond to what I'm saying.
Unless you want to take it to PMs, I will not discuss this topic anymore. We have taken the thread waaaaaay too off topic.
Your claiming his body currently is different then his old one, which is stated is not. You also said he doesn't have his connection to Tanaraq and as shown and stated he does...so in short your wrong.
haha see my above reply. Seems now your backpedeling
Sure, they killed Tundra in the earth realm just like what happened to Walter and what did they say? Tundra never actually died he only sent an earth manifestation JUST LIKE Tanaraq did.
As shown in vol.1, Tanaraq still took over Snowbird when he took Sasquatch more then once...he didn't die. Then they show him in Omega Flight and he takes over Walter....more proof he didn't die
Exiles Tanaraq: "I am deathless as a fable. I am mythology incarnate. How can you kill that which made the first man fear the darkness and the cold"
As mentioned Walter's current body DESTROYED his old body. Now no where is it stated or shown that he was depowered. EVER. That's fact and you cant argue that.
Where did he struggle with something that was 20 tons?
Walter was never in a movie.
That's the spirit, except as stated Sasquatch possesses "almost limitless strength" and "second strongest legs on the face of the Earth” Those are direct statements and we have Walter actually performing class 100 feats. Such as he even CAUGHT a 6 story building from falling over. Yes CAUGHT and stopped it from falling.
Where are you getting this 20 ton version?
haha seems more your upset I caught you
Except you said earlier in the thread the tree is his best feat, and that is NOT anything special. Hell a car crumbled when it hit Marrina and she isn’t even class 2. If you’re talking about when he stopped that car to protect his girl, then you may want to re-evaluate that example.
So you really have no way to guage his strength, but you automatically say he is class 100 and when a character has shown class 100 feats far more times then him you ignore them? Lulz! List some more examples, as the car feat is NOT class 100 feat, even Spider-Man has done that.
Once again where are you getting Sasquatch is 20 tons? He has NEVER been class 20. Are you thinking of a different character?
Haha riiiight, not even Hulk, Thor, Hercules, etc could do that. He also caught Northstar in mid-air more then once so it’s not like Walter hasn’t dealt with superspeed before
In one ear out the other. It's stated there is NO difference from his old body and his current body as I have said and explained several times already.
haha lulz repeating what I just said....clever? Not so much
Meh! Your wrong as stated by the comics themselves not much really to talk about.
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It's fiction, most characters picking up large structures shouldn't work but it does. Part of the suspension of disbelief.That's my bad, I clicked on the first link on google. I'm not often lazy when in a discussion, won't happen again.
How do you figure? According to the handbooks, 95 tons is above his limit. Here he effortlessly lifts and tosses a 95 ton object.
The narration clearly states that the device was exerting enough force to shatter a mountain. It wasn't a level it was going to reach, it was a level it had reached. Not really sure what you find confusing there.
It's part durability but strength was clearly intended to play a large part in it.
Not really.
Context? Tanaraq version? Walter was no stronger here than at any other point in his history.
I get it, you only dismiss the ones you don't like.
Did you just tell me to learn a little about Marvel? Haha. Can we please move this discussion over to the comic vs. section? I don't want any off topic nonsense getting in the way.
Yes, I realize that Walter has been able to grow stronger over the years as he loses more control but Walter was no stronger there than at any other point in his history. Yes he is.
Decided powersets according to whom? The handbooks? Like I said before, those are extremely flawed sources for power stats.
One should place characters based on their average performance seen in comic books. Every character has good and bad days but it's possible to find a level where they generally operate.
I would but I can't help myself after reading such ignorant posts.
Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason why. Personally, I want to make sure our discussion isn't interrupted at any point and it wouldn't in the vs. forum. I also don't want shitty excuses like "wrong forum" thrown around if you dislike the way the conversation is turning.
Are you like a dog with a bone?
So you'll ignore any evidence that doesn't fit into the limits set by handbooks? Is there any actual reason for this or is it just because?
Coward.
Are you joking or being serious? I cannot tell but I really hope you aren't. Thor is my area of expertise and handbooks have been oh so terribly incorrect about him as well as Odin.
I don't even know what the hell you're talking about here.
No one is forcing you to read them.
I won't however sit here while you making such incredibly ignorant statements regarding characters and how the medium works.
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