__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Logic is realizing what a human-centred and primitive story the ancient religions tell for the sake of mitigating fear and discomfort and maximizing control and pacification. Fear is hearing a fairy-tale and going "Well shucks, that was scary. Better do whatever someone who writes fables tells me to do... just in case the story is true."
By that logic you also need to believe equally in the fables and warnings of all the other religions, lest you be punished by them should they turn out to be the one true truth. But I have a feeling you don't care much for Muhammed, the Torah, Brahmins, the Tao, Ahura Mazda, Zeus, Odin, Toutatis, etc. etc.
And I bet you think your one little branch of the Christ following is true. Which is it? Catholic? Lutheran? Cathar? Arrian? Or do you have your own personal little view on the Trinity that you think is just right? You can't call following the Christian creed "logical, just in case it's true" when there's literally thousands of Christian creeds all claiming to hold "the truth" about Christ, and who say that those who don't follow it burn. Or the Witnesses who actual believe that everyone except the chosen get annihilated from existence. Why aren't they right "just in case?"
Your "logic" is most illogical, captain. And your confusing it with fear.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Oh wow, you actually responded with a genuine response. I think that's a first for you. I look forward to seeing how you f*ck it up.
They don't threaten you with eternal torment and suffering should you not believe what they believe (they'll just nag you for a lifetime and call you stupid for worshiping a concept that the vast majority of all humans have worshiped). And they won't also claim to "love you" before, during, and after they send you to the Pit of Fire for literally an infinite amount of time.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Fear which is the outcome of logic. One thing doesn't negate the other.
Nahhh! Logic is following what makes most sense. The moment science and other sources FAIL to negate/rebuke the information it isn't considered fake. It's just at a point in where it can't be proven or disproved. Nevertheless, our ancestors (All over the world) believed in beings of a status higher from us. Call it Gods, Angels, or Aliens. The fact here is there was something out there ALL OUR ANCESTORS considered "GODS". In terms of logic, why should we refuse their beliefs when there is no basis or evidence to do it?
The problem with our current society is that we believe that just because we have the technology, our Ancestor's beliefs or way of thinking are obsolete or fake. However we fail to remember that ALL OUR ADVANCEMENTS were in one way or another influenced by those Beliefs
So again, question your logic.
Ohhh! But this thread is involves Atheist vs Theists. In this point my personal religion is irrelevant.
Now let me tell you WHAT I BELIEVE.
There is only one truth! One thing all this Religions and Theist's have in common: There is something/someone above us
That's what i believe. Everything else is mere a matter of whether you choose to believe it or not.
I consider myself a Christian person. Am not baptized nor do i attend a church. I rule my life on the simple principle that there is someone out there whose power is above our understanding. I believe that you don't need to attend a church to be a good person and follow the ways of "GOD".
No. My logic is better pointed. And yes, not fearing humanity's vanity is something I WOULD NEVER DO!
Throughout history, several empires and civilizations have appeared and disappeared. Throughout the history of this world Billions of persons have lived, grown, and finally died...filling the pages of our History books.
It doesn't matter where you decide to look! All those Empires share a common belief!:
There is something out there that surpasses everything we are.
Doesn't matter how you decide to call them! Our Ancestors ruled their lives around these beings, where as refusing to do so was believed to be the ULTIMATE CURSE.
Despite not being enough evidence to rebuke/deny/negate this beliefs somehow our many in our current society have chosen to believe they are somehow better than all those persons who somehow in someway influenced who we are.
Many of us (Including me not so long ago) without any real base of evidence, decided that somehow our way of thinking is better than all those 2000+ years of collective beliefs and ideas that our Ancestor's formulated.
Our society nowadays is divided in two. Those who decide to belief in something, and those who decided to isolate and limit their existence to this world.
Answering the question of this thread: It's really a matter of what YOU CHOOSE to belief rather than what IS THE RIGHT WAY OF THINKING.
There are more theists in the world because THANKS GOD most have decided that IF OUR ANCESTORS BELIEVED....WHY SHOULDN'T WE?Where is the logic behind negating our roots? Negating the very fabric of what makes us humans? Of our past which build our present?
So, should we believe everything our ancestors believed? Wood spirits, witches, dragons? Should we believe the Sun revolves around the Earth? That the Earth is flat? Don't bring up logic and then say that we should believe what are ancestors believed because they believed it. That's ridiculous man.
Here's some more beliefs our ancestors have that are legit right?
I can kinda agree with Josh that there is a force beyond us, but choosing to think that's an old dude on a cloud and trying to equate all religions and beliefs throughout our history is stupid, honestly.
Also, let's not forget how we advanced as a society: By growing beyond our roots, by questioning what our ancestors didn't and by opening up new possibilities. Yeah, there's some religious influence there, but most major advancements were made by stepping away from the Church and giving light to the individual. Basically, the only thing history teaches us is that we shouldn't believe what our ancestors blindly believed.
If science proofs it otherwise THEN AND ONLY THEN we are sure to rebuke their beliefs. Otherwise we are not only being arrogant, we are being fools to think we know better than our ancestors without having evidence on our behalf.
As i said, the rest is a matter of whether you believe it or not. God could be sitting on a cloud, or watching from outer space, or standing just besides you.
Don't confuse however Growing AWAY FROM CHURCH to growing AWAY FROM GOD! The terms are not interchangeable.
Again it's a matter of whether you want to believe it or not. Atheist or Theist you are believing BLINDLY in something, since there is no real evidence to prove which is true.
It is not arrogant to ask for proof in a belief that people have literally murdered each other over. Wouldn't you want some concrete evidence before committing to a belief that has ramifications as dire as eternal damnation as a consequence? And I'm supposed to believe this because some ancient people who have been wrong about countless other things said so? Sorry if I don't subscribe to that type of blind faith.
The Chruch is the major reinforcement of God's existance, though. By denying the idea that things are cuz God wants them to be, we look for new explanations. And that's how a lot of modern science came to be.
And nah, Atheists don't blindly believe anything. The whole point of science is to not just go with faith and instead quantify and back up facts. You're using fairy-tales, Atheists are using empirical data. There's a major difference.
You have the RIGHT TO ASK not the RIGHT TO CALL IT FAKE! Don't confuse the terms here. Also don't blame God for what we humans have done.
So just because you don't have Concrete evidence to follow a belief you'd rather follow nothing?
Even Atheists believe in something, which is not to believe! So you are already following a NON CONCRETE EVIDENCED way of thinking my friend, in case you didn't realized that.
Furthermore, what's the point of "FAITH" if you there is evidence of it? Completely illogical.
You mean by denying the INTERPRETATIONS of the Church.
Just because the POPE claims that EVOLUTION ISN'T A THING doesn't mean that GOD SAID SO, or that it's true.
You mean Limited Empirical Data! Since it's constantly being rebuked, rebuilt, and remodeled. Empirical data which is limited to our MATERIAL WORLD! Emperical Data which fails to answer many of the questions Religion answered millenniums Ago!
Atheists choose to believe that Science is their God! That Humanity's science is enough to forget our past when in reality Science and Religion don't even collide.
Science explains the Material world while Religion explains the World Beyond!
So if you think your Atheism is any better founded than Theism, i'd recommend you to go and review your way of thinking.
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