ok, lovely irrelevant picture and misused fallacy accusation, but the fact remains that you declared it impossible for people to change their minds based on new data. i called you out for it. now, where was my sweeping generalization?
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I did not "declare it impossible for people to change their minds", I suggested that with the amount of misinformation people have been receiving, it's possible that Zimmerman would not get a fair trial, ie an unbiased jury who goes into the court-room with a clear head, as this story is fairly huge. I suggested the possibly of this happening with the jurors, be it one or all of them, I don't know. Not "this is fact and it will happen!".
So what you did was strawman what i said and then made your own sweeping generalization (by your own standards) that people would be able to leave all bias at the court-room doors. Hence the picture.
how is this not a sweeping implication? magic being required to accept new data and form a new appraisal, etc
you could just admit to momentarily succumbing to hyperbole and we can have a laugh about it, but something tells me this is far from over.
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focus4chumps just ignore the trolls, except for Robtard. He is always good for a laugh. As far as the others, you could be completely right, but they cannot admit it, ever.
i wouldnt suggest any of them are trolls. just...at times...irrationally dedicated to their opinions to the point where they occasionally get excited and cross the border into fact-land.
You're completely ignoring context, as before I'm mentioning the possibility of this happening; not "THIS WILL HAPPEN /fact /fact /fact."
You could admit to reading what you wanted into my words. Either way, I don't think there's much else to say. You think I made a "Sweeping Generalization"; I think you strawmanned me, though it could have been unintentional on your part.
i dont want to make this topic about you any more than i wanted the last page to be about myself. however some folks rather enjoy that sort of thing. (see above post)
i am aware that you previously suggested it was 'unlikely'. while i found your opinion painfully dismal you still left a bit of wiggle room for possibilities. then you had to bring magic into the discussion. thats where you took a wrong turn into fact-land
:edit: but i admit i used the word "sweeping". should have chosen a better word. whats a better word for a hastily guessed likelihood used as a point of argument?
Last edited by focus4chumps on Apr 12th, 2012 at 08:11 PM
i know, but the clear implication was that its impossible for someone to accept new data to replace old and dubious junk-data. thus magic being required, as we agree doesnt exist, thus implying that its impossible.
:edit: anyway, back to the argument: have a shred of faith ffs. if the lawyers dont manage to poison the jury with teabaggers, i think there is a reasonable shot at a fair trial.
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hey i see what you did there. ok one last dodge then and we move on. w/e.
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Were you asking a question? Cos it seemed you were making a statement of your previous views, which we covered already a few posts back. Which there isn't much else to comment over, as noted. Unless you need to?
no it doesnt matter. you dodged and now we move on. unless its a matter of having the last word.
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1-proof that he pursued martin, which is certainly not standing one's ground
2-his hissing of "****ing coons", which is pretty blatant, despite the clownish tactics of his previous lawyer to call it a recording error and that he actually said "punks"
these points among other can be used to establish a motive.
racist vigilante stalks unarmed black kid. i think its going to be hard to dispute that.
the real issue imho will be the seemingly unanswerable "was there really a fight and if so who initiated it". zimmerman has proven to be an idiot at this point in his actions against the advice of his own lawyers. all he had to do was sit tight and stfu, but he had to start yapping to the internet and sean hannity, etc.
his record of violent behavior will not bode well either. i think he is screwed, but i would hardly blame the media.
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