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yep, sounds about right. Sasuke forced both of his open to get Susanoo going when he blocked that onslaught from Gaara and company at the gokage summit.


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Itachi is better at using Sharingan than Sasuke obviously, that why he only needed one eye for Susano'o. But Susano'o for Minato isn't a threat. If he manages to apply the seal to Itachi, he teleports inside Susano'o, but if he stays outside, no problem as Itachi's Susano'o is just shield and sword, nothing Minato can't dodge.


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Itachi is better at using Sharingan than Sasuke obviously, that why he only needed one eye for Susano'o. But Susano'o for Minato isn't a threat. If he manages to apply the seal to Itachi, he teleports inside Susano'o, but if he stays outside, no problem as Itachi's Susano'o is just shield and sword, nothing Minato can't dodge.


You need both eyes for Susanoo. It's why Kakashi and Tobi can't do it.

Yes, if he gets the seal on Itachi, that's the end of the fight.

Susanoo also has the yasaka beads.

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which are pretty friggin powerful, though could still be dodged by Minato. What he needs to worry about are getting caught in even a simple genjutsu, which will soon turn into Tsukuyomi, and considering he was able to actively fool Sasuke, an adept sharingan user with genjutsu long enough to pull off Tsukuyomi, it's a real threat. Izanami is the insta-kill that gets it for Itachi though..thumb up


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You need both eyes for Susanoo. It's why Kakashi and Tobi can't do it.

Yes, if he gets the seal on Itachi, that's the end of the fight.

Susanoo also has the yasaka beads.

http://sindarfrom.files.wordpress.c...ruto-551-_1.jpg

which are pretty friggin powerful, though could still be dodged by Minato. What he needs to worry about are getting caught in even a simple genjutsu, which will soon turn into Tsukuyomi, and considering he was able to actively fool Sasuke, an adept sharingan user with genjutsu long enough to pull off Tsukuyomi, it's a real threat. Izanami is the insta-kill that gets it for Itachi though..thumb up


The Yasaka beads aren't as powerful as that scene implies, relatively speaking. It is not on the level of Rasenshuriken, and certainly not on the level of Gyuuki's Bijuu-dama.

thumb up to everything else though...

...except for the seal bit. We all know Minato would only use it to instantly bring Itachi the sandwiches he makes for him.


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Nahh, as I said before, Minato purposely throws one of kis Kunais near Itachi's head, teleports infront of him, and pokes his eyes with normal kunais, thus ending the genjustus, and then defeaten him.


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Nah. As we've said before, Minato ports to the Kitchen, puts on his apron, and makes Itachi a delicious sandwich.


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The Yasaka beads aren't as powerful as that scene implies, relatively speaking. It is not on the level of Rasenshuriken, and certainly not on the level of Gyuuki's Bijuu-dama.

thumb up to everything else though...

...except for the seal bit. We all know Minato would only use it to instantly bring Itachi the sandwiches he makes for him.


I can live with that thumb up At least Itachi's Susanoo still has some pretty powerful ranged attacks.

laughing out loud Double flying raijin or he gets the pimp hand.


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Oh well, Minato puts poison to that sandwich.

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Well then, Minato wins this by poisoning Itachi?


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You need both eyes for Susanoo. It's why Kakashi and Tobi can't do it.

Yes, if he gets the seal on Itachi, that's the end of the fight.

Susanoo also has the yasaka beads.

http://sindarfrom.files.wordpress.c...ruto-551-_1.jpg

which are pretty friggin powerful, though could still be dodged by Minato. What he needs to worry about are getting caught in even a simple genjutsu, which will soon turn into Tsukuyomi, and considering he was able to actively fool Sasuke, an adept sharingan user with genjutsu long enough to pull off Tsukuyomi, it's a real threat. Izanami is the insta-kill that gets it for Itachi though..thumb up


Susano'o doesn't matter. Minato should be able to seal that too.

Sasuke got caught in a genjutsu for the same reason Kakashi got caught in a genjutsu, he was over confident in his sharingan ability. Minato would not make that mistake.

Again, Izanami requires you to interact with an opponent to remember the exchange. The only reason Itachi survived the exchange between him and Kabuto is because of his ET body. Do you really think Izanami will matter if Itachi is cut in half, or has a rasengan through his stomach?


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Susano'o doesn't matter. Minato should be able to seal that too.

Sasuke got caught in a genjutsu for the same reason Kakashi got caught in a genjutsu, he was over confident in his sharingan ability. Minato would not make that mistake.

Again, Izanami requires you to interact with an opponent to remember the exchange. The only reason Itachi survived the exchange between him and Kabuto is because of his ET body. Do you really think Izanami will matter if Itachi is cut in half, or has a rasengan through his stomach?


Based on what ability or showing?

Sasuke got caught in 3 layers of Genjutsu, even with Sharingan. One was so real he didn't even know he was in a genjutsu. And all it takes is the pointing of a finger or an accidental glace like Bee and Naruto found out.

You never answered what interaction was necessary. Or proved that it was necessary at all. It'd still a loop where Minato slice Itachi in half or something then finds out it's a crow bunshin, happens again, and again, and though I doubt he wouldn't figure it out, by that time Minato would be done.

Well yeah, because he was protecting useless Sasgay. Otherwise he wouldn't have been hit by the cave spikes, and after that he never took another hit.


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IDK, maybe the fact that he ports around highly condensed balls of chakra with sealing techs, removed the ability for Tobi to manipulate Kurama, Sealed half of Kurama's chakra forever (who is just a huge manifestation of chakra to begin with). Why wouldn't he be able to seal away yet another chakra based construct?

Yeah, Sasuke was over confident. Minato isn't.

Have you even read up on the tech? It takes a sensation (I'm assuming a physical one since that was what he chose to re-loop) between himself and his opponent that he has to recall perfectly with his sharingan to set up. This to me doesn't seem like a great tech at all to use when you don't have an ET body to recover from whatever damage you take.


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I can live with that thumb up At least Itachi's Susanoo still has some pretty powerful ranged attacks.

laughing out loud Double flying raijin or he gets the pimp hand.


Oh yeah. Besides it's not like he needs the Yasaka to pwn shit.

Yeah, those will be the only times Minato will ever truly want to move faster than he ever has moved before.
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IDK, maybe the fact that he ports around highly condensed balls of chakra with sealing techs, removed the ability for Tobi to manipulate Kurama, Sealed half of Kurama's chakra forever (who is just a huge manifestation of chakra to begin with). Why wouldn't he be able to seal away yet another chakra based construct?

Yeah, Sasuke was over confident. Minato isn't.

Have you even read up on the tech? It takes a sensation (I'm assuming a physical one since that was what he chose to re-loop) between himself and his opponent that he has to recall perfectly with his sharingan to set up. This to me doesn't seem like a great tech at all to use when you don't have an ET body to recover from whatever damage you take.


Probably because Itachi can just use more chakra to create said construct again if Minato aims for Susano'o itself and not Itachi.
He's only been shown sealing away chakra with the Shinigami seal technique, and the Eight Trigrams method was to create a Jinchuurikii, so not sure how that would work against Susano'o.
Ergo, if you want to argue that he'd seal away Susano'o (which is pointless), then you'd also have to state that he'd have to use the Shinigami seal. So then Minato dies doing something stupid.

Yeah, it's supposed to be a bodily sensation.
It doesn't have to be a stab wound like it was with the Kabuto-Itachi version though. It can be a simple kunai clash, or heck, even movement.


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Yes, and with itachi's sickly body, using chakra to set up another susano'o could be devastating and severely limit what he is able to do offensively afterwards. This isn't the Edo Itachi who doesn't have to worry about that. Minato can also port chakra easily like a bijuu ball. Why would he not be able to do the same with susano'o?

I suppose you're right to a point. I don't see a simple movement being good enough to set the loop that one would desire though. Also, it seems like it takes time to prepare which makes it less of a good option imo.


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A question, is the Totsuka sword glued to Susano'o or it can be taken off? If yes, when Itachi attacks Minato with the sword, can't Minato use the Space-Time Barrier to block the attack and then warp away the sword?
If no, then he uses the same technique and the whole Susano'o is warped, maybe with Itachi in it, but if Itachi stays, he is ****ed.


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Yes, and with itachi's sickly body, using chakra to set up another susano'o could be devastating and severely limit what he is able to do offensively afterwards. This isn't the Edo Itachi who doesn't have to worry about that. Minato can also port chakra easily like a bijuu ball. Why would he not be able to do the same with susano'o?

I suppose you're right to a point. I don't see a simple movement being good enough to set the loop that one would desire though. Also, it seems like it takes time to prepare which makes it less of a good option imo.


So then you think Minato would opt to seal away the chakra used to make Susano'o with the Dead Demon Seal? no expression
So we're using a healthy Minato, and a sickly Itachi who is on his death bed? You'd have to make it sickly Itachi who is on his death bed and nearly blind to give Minato a chance at winning.

How exactly would that barrier work? For instance, I see it either BFR'ing Itachi, or doing nothing at all.


Dependent on how long it takes for the caster to replicate the same sensation. The harder the sensation is to replicate, the longer it would take most likely. A simple kunai/weapon clash wouldn't be too difficult to replicate. Anal sex with three tigers would be.


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So then you think Minato would opt to seal away the chakra used to make Susano'o with the Dead Demon Seal? no expression
So we're using a healthy Minato, and a sickly Itachi who is on his death bed? You'd have to make it sickly Itachi who is on his death bed and nearly blind to give Minato a chance at winning.

How exactly would that barrier work? For instance, I see it either BFR'ing Itachi, or doing nothing at all.


Dependent on how long it takes for the caster to replicate the same sensation. The harder the sensation is to replicate, the longer it would take most likely. A simple kunai/weapon clash wouldn't be too difficult to replicate. Anal sex with three tigers would be.


No, Minato can port chakra with just a regular seal. What are you talking about? He was able to port away a bijuu ball by making a regular seal in the air. No demon seal.

Itachi is sick. He has been since he was introduced as a character. I just assume we use the character as they are in the manga for vs forums, but if that's not the case, then my bad.

I don't know what BFR is...sorry. But say, Itachi swings at him with susano'o, minato puts up seal and susano'o is gone. Or the sword ports behind Itachi and seals his susano'o. Something like that. I mean Jiraiya was able to seal away amaterasu, so Minato doing something like that Itachi doesn't seem farfetched to me at all.


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According to the wiki, the barrier can warp away anything it comes in contact with.
Look at the wiki

And a question for senior members, how do you post an Youtube video, not to post the link, but the video itself.


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IDK, maybe the fact that he ports around highly condensed balls of chakra with sealing techs, removed the ability for Tobi to manipulate Kurama, Sealed half of Kurama's chakra forever (who is just a huge manifestation of chakra to begin with). Why wouldn't he be able to seal away yet another chakra based construct?

Yeah, Sasuke was over confident. Minato isn't.

Have you even read up on the tech? It takes a sensation (I'm assuming a physical one since that was what he chose to re-loop) between himself and his opponent that he has to recall perfectly with his sharingan to set up. This to me doesn't seem like a great tech at all to use when you don't have an ET body to recover from whatever damage you take.


Are you suggesting he use Death Reaper Seal on Susanoo? Minato cancelled the genjutsu on Kurama iirc. Since that's what Tobi was using to manipulate him. Which, while impressive, doesn't really play a role here. Not to mention Itachi can resummon Susanoo even if it's cancelled. Or use Amaterasu on him when he pauses.

No, Sasuke had a bitchin Sharingan. And he still got caught in 3 layers of genjutsu.

I'm aware of the tech, and that's why I was confused as to why you thought it was hindered. Susanoo/Minato interaction is all that would need to happen. Then the loop begins.


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