You mean be illogical to make a point about how much you like Itachi, right?
No, Itachi was not nearly blind. He could see just fine. He did not purposefully extend the fight. He used amaterasu right at Sasuke.
No, B used it as a ruse to pretend to get captured so he could escape because he was tired of his military life.
No difference seen in power. B could create partial manifestations ultra fast. If anything, he has better speed feats in the flash back than he does, now.
If you mean your poor attempt at a rebuttal, I agree.
It doesn't. He is about to get some pwn, as well. I have plenty to go around.
Itachi has some big techs and a more varied move-set, but Minato is specialised enough that he can take out Itachi without coming into much harm himself.
Itachi's only relevant jutsu are huge, chakra sapping ones, that won't hit Minato in all likelihood.
as of now: all sasuke really gained was susano'o to take on bee. tsukyomi and amatarasu won't cut it cause of the hachibi and sasuke's speed, fighting skill, and lightning affinity are at least negated if not surpassed by bee himself.
sasuke's susano'o has the arrows which are his only real hope imo, but then again he might be trading attacks since hachibi can use bijuu-bomb, but then again he has version 2 which deals the same damage but keeps his original silhouette and speed. samahada might be a factor also.
sasuke can't hang with bee today imo, well until we get to see what ems provides.
A is 40-50. Younger than Jiraiya or Hiruzen or Danzou or Onoki.
Stalemated by Bee who saw through Minato's tactic, not both A and Bee.
Superior to A, yes. Superior to young Bee. No idea. Prove otherwise.
Prove he was comparing it to the punch from his first fight against Minato, and not one of his later fights.
Based on how much chakra he was pouring into his armor, his punch against Naruto was faster than the one in the flashback.
Sasuke also got one new tech for his fight which was negated. He unlocked the second tech after Taka got owned and was on the verge of being killed, and the fight ended after that. So any excuses that Sasuke was some how magically stronger are plain wrong.
Wrong.
An ultra weakened form of Sasuke got pwned like no other against Bee...twice. There is not excuse for this.
Irrelevant as neither Bee nor Naruto did any damage to Nagato and could not hope to touch him. Nagato still owned those two far more easily than Minato could ever wet dream of doing so.
Wrong. He was every bit as fast as Bee and Naruto.
ABC logic does not works awesome in this case the the Minato fanbois cannot stand it.
Itachi does have the means to contend with the precision, variety, and power of Minato.
Not saying Itachi would win, since I do think Minato wins here, for now. Itachi makes him work for his victory though.
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Sasuke before fighting Itachi had all of Orochimaru's techs, including his enhanced regen, and the Cursed Seal amp. After he fought Itachi he lost all of that, and gained a weak-ass genjutsu instead. You'd have to be a retard or a troll to think that the Sasuke that fought Bee, who had not yet fully recovered from his fight with Itachi, was much stronger than the Sasuke that fought Itachi.
Not until the Danzou fight was MS Sasuke much stronger than Hebi Sasuke.
Taijutsu wise, Bee would win, as shown on panel.
Tsukuyomi and other Genjutsu would be negated, as shown on panel.
Amaterasu would pwn the Hachibi, as shown on panel.
Bee has no way of getting past Susano'o unless he uses Bijuu Mode, which would be owned by Amaterasu.
Samehada might work though.
If Samehada is capable of getting past Susano'o, then Bee would win. If it cannot, Sasuke would win IMO.
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My like of Itachi has nothing to do with your flawed ABC logic. Which is true despite you trying to steer away from what I said. I'm not claiming he's above 6 paths or Madara or something. But he's superior to Minato.
Yes he was. He went totally blind from one Tsukuyomi, one Amaterasu usage and activating Susanoo. Even before the actual fight started his vision of Sasuke was incredibly diminished.
And yes he did extend the fight. From you're responses it seems like you hardly payed attention to it. Or the talk Tobi had with Sasuke later. Itachi extended the fight with Sasuke in order to exhausst him and remove Orochimaru from his body.
After Bee was hit with Amaterasu is when he decided to slip out. That doesnt change the fact that when Bee got hit, he retreated instead of continuing his assault on taka. Unless you think his plan was "I hope that sharingan kid uses those weird eyes of his to create some jutsu where I'm forced to hid inside the tentacles of Hachibi and pretend to attack the girl so the Sharingan kid slices the tentacle off and I can escape in it as they take the tentacle doppelganger I leave behind. That'd be awesome yo."- Bee
In the Narutoverse, powers comes almost always with age. (not old age of course) Name one case of a character that did not improve with it. Arguing against it is silly really.
Lol? Thats cute but you gotta step your game up before you can say stuff like that.
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40-50 is not prime, anymore. That's waning. What I said. You're wrong. (I would put in estahuh, right here, but I think I ran out of space)
No, he stopped, he did not stalemate with B. It is made to look like a stalemate but it is only due to Minato calling it quits.
No. You know exactly what I'm talking about. What do you think about that?
Wrong: based on A's very words, you have sick pwnage.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: My goal was for you to try and bring this up as a trump card...
Sasuke himself says Itachi tried to kill him multiple times. It does not matter if the overall goal was to draw forth Oro. Had Sasuke messed up, he would have died multiple times.
Additionally, the difference between an Itachi holding back and an Itachi going all out is the version of Itachi that is fighting Kabuto now. And thus, the trap your fell into.
Lastly, Itachi always had it in the plans to stop or even kill Sasuke if Sasuke turned against the village BEFORE he fought Sasuke:
It's the residual effects of Tsukyomi that were already wearing off by the very next page.
Let's not try to pull something like this again.
I will concede this...however, you're committing a strawman.
There's a difference between what I said and Juugo stating that Itachi's wounds against Sasuke not healing: they won't heal. It is not something he can heal and this is what juugo is referring to. Scars? Permanent damage?
Wrong, he used two new ultra-powerful techs during his fight with B that he did not have before. You're trying to move that bar just to be right.
Deal with the fact that Sasuke had two new techs to bring to the fight and stop pretending Sasuke was weaker than he was.
Wrong: the strongest Sasuke has ever been (up to that point) was seen in this fight against B. Not only was Sasuke stronger in this fight than he was against Itachi, he got two healings to continue. Additionally, Sasuke used Amaterasu in a way Itachi was never seen using so in a way, he progressed further than Itachi by this point.
Additionally, every time they went to attack, speed from Nagato had nothing to do with it: he moved very little and did not have to react very much. The only thing Nagato did was react and move just a bit to catch both of them.
Here's Naruto's commentary on Nagato's level of mastery being much higher than before:
Basically, Naruto and B are still much faster, physically, but Nagato does not have to move from his spot when they attack him.
Contrast this with Minato who is definitely not as dumb as Naruto.
Wrong. He was every bit as fast as Bee and Naruto.
ABC works wonderfully in this case and Itachi fanboys cannot stand it.
Itachi does not have the means to contend with Minato's precision, power, and variety of Minato.
Minato makes an effort, but he is not pushed very hard.
No, Sasuke did not have all of Oro's techs. That's an extreme exaggeration. He lost his ability to use white snake healing, snake specific summons, and his cursed seal.
He gained the second or third most powerful genjutsu and gained an unstoppable offensive power (the only way to prevent it from being a one hit kill is if you dodge it which requires Naruto KCM, A Amped mode, or Minato levels of speed).
You have to be a retard of a troll to think Sasuke came out of his fight with Itachi as being "weaker" than his old state.
You are also claiming that Sasuke could recover from what seems like permanenet wounds from Itachi.
As far as your last comment about Sasuke being much stronger by the time he fights Danzo, I would agree. However, the addition of only those two MS techniques, imo, made him stronger than he was before when he fought Itachi. I personally think the cursed seal held him back...and Itachi seemed to think so, as well. lol
Well, really, if the fight started out with both knowing what they know now, B would just speed blitz Sasuke and one hit kill him. Sasuke would be best served putting up his Susaon'o immediately, imo.
From there, B can just play a war of attrition as he has much more chakra than Sasuke. B is fast enough to dodge amaterasu like A did, imo. I am willing to budge on that position but B seems to be in the top 5 when it comes to speed.
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It has everything to do with your inability to see the flaw in your logic and the completeness of my ABC logic.
No, it's not true. Itachi is below Minato.
No, you have proved my point, not yours. That's temporary. And it was also not "totally blind" as even when he was recovering for using Tsukyomi, he was not totally blind.
No he didn't extend the fight. From your assessment, you're blind to what actually too place. Itachi attacked with his best techs towards the very beginning (minus the sealing sword): Tsukyomi and amaterasu. This is hardly "trying to drag the fight out".
Already addressed the rest of what you talked about.
Yes, that was pretty much hist plan. His entire plan was to use Team Hawk as a distraction so he could escape his virtual bondage. He went as far as to create a clone, escape in the cut off section, and sit at the bottom of the lake until they were gone. A even recognized what B had done afterwards.
In the Narutoverse, powers always wane with age because there is less speed and chakra to draw from.
There is a much better case to be made that an older Jiraiya has to go to level 2 amp to equal his old self at a level 1 amp. He considered those the same.
lol, that's also cute. You think you're worthy to even talk down to me.
You've got thousands of posts and hundreds of arguments to go through before a pup like you can even contemplate talking down to me and being considered legit.
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