It is pretty crappy how easily they were dismissed by madara though. I wouldn't have minded them being beaten so much had it been a struggle for madara. Instead, everytime they look to have the upper hand, he pulls another trick out of his ass. I really hope naruto gives him the beat down.
Uh, so? The feat isn't that impressive next to reacting to lightning.
Sure, if Sasuke takes his sweet little time with it I see no reason why Minato couldn't throw up the shield. But Sasuke wouldn't. There is a difference between savoring the moment of killing the bastard you've hated most of your life and killing someone who is nothing to you. If Minato tries it after Sasuke has flung his hand down, then he will die.
The fact is it does take time for all that lightning to build up and it does not take a genius to notice that the attack will come from the sky. Minato can and will put up a barrier. Not like it is what sasuke will use now that he has this new found reliance on solely his ems which will not help him against minato who can stop most of his attacks.
Yeah, you're wrong about Madara and Hashirama.
Hashirama never beat down both Kurama and Madara. He stole Kurama away from Madara, and then beat him.
Oh, and Madara said Hashirama was the only one who could stop him, not that Hashirama could stop him right now. While it certainly is possible, Madara would be more powerful and more versatile, seeing as he has access to unlimited chakra, a regenerating body, his own jutsu that made him nearly as powerful as Hashirama, Mokuton, and the bloody Rinn'egan.
~ Madara simply uses Rinne Tensei to revive Sasuke as many times as he wants to. Sasuke one-shots Hiruzen, two-shots Tsunade, prepares Kirin, and Madara brings out Perfect Susano'o. While Minato is busy shitting his pants over the sight of Perfect Susano'o, Sasuke oneshots Hashirama & Minato with Kirin, and Madara takes a shit on Hashirama's body while Itachi is busy writing the next chapter of Naruto.
Two can play at this game ma boi.
Kay, let's get this over with.
I'm talking about the 'giant electrical dragon' (which is a Qilin/Kirin BTW) that 'appears' whenever Sasuke uses the jutsu. I'm not so sure it actually appears, as Sasuke stated that he would merely guide the Lightning, not shape it and then guide it. But meh, whatever.
Now, assuming Sasuke does use Kirin in this fight (and no, I'm not saying he will, I was just trolling), immediately after the Giant Kirin appears, Sasuke would send it towards his target. So no, there would not be enough time for Minato to weave the hand-signs for the barrier. If he wants to use the barrier, he'll have to set it up long before that Kirin has appeared and Sasuke has sent it down towards his target.
Normally, it wouldn't be too difficult for Minato to deduce what Sasuke is trying to do, but I doubt he'll have the luxury of devoting his attention to the sky in this particular fight.
On a side note, Sasuke only took as long as he did against Itachi as he wanted to explain the mechanics of the jutsu, and to take delight in the moment when he thought he finally had Itachi at his mercy, the moment he had dreamt of ever since he was 7 years old. He won't take that much time against someone else like Minato. Capisce?
Sure, in reflexes and movement speed. Your assumption that he's leagues faster than Hanzo when it comes to weaving hand-seals is baseless. Lol, comparatively speaking, Kirin would be a Peregrine Falcon, while the Bijuu-dama would be a Sloth.
Itachi has, by feats, shown that he can weave signs far faster than anyone else in the manga; to the point where ninja with the Sharingan like Sasuke or Kakashi, cannot notice them. Minato is much slower at weaving hand-seals than Itachi is.
Also, my point was that Itachi did not have enough time to weave any hand-signs, despite being faster than everyone else in that category. Instead, he had to rely on a jutsu whose activation speed is second to none, barring that of FTG's.
Yeah, no, I'm not attributing the RW speed of Lightning to that of Naruto's. Zetsu explicitly states that Lightning is hundreds of times faster than Sound, and that it would reach the ground in 1 millisecond.
I've seen velocity values for RW Lightning varying from 1/3rd the speed of light (Mach 300,000) to 60000 m/s (Mach 175). The process of Lightning has different speeds for different steps in the process.
Also, don't you read the databook? Haku is Lightspeed brah.
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So you were there when the fight happened? Using logic I doubt kishi had the nine tails appear only to get taken down in the first few seconds. He was able to fight both of them for a while then capture the nine tails then proceed to give madara a beat down .Obviously madara who knew about hashi's control of tailed beasts would not bring one unless he was sure he can maintain his own for a good portion of the fight against hashi. Hashirama and tobirama can probably take him together. But the fact that madara with even PS did not have enough faith in his abilites and decided he needed the STRONGEST tailed beasts help tell's us volumes of how strong hashi was.
Let's see madara revive sasuke after he is sealed in the death god?
Im sure hiruzen will make the sacrifice(of a shadow clone)
Minato just beats him to a pulp long enough for hiruzen to finish then kill him. Tsunade stalls itachi by using katsuyu and minato's just summoned toads to gang bang him (long range attacks) long enough for sasuke to be finished. Then they gang up and rape itachi. Hiruzen sacrifices another clone to seal the incapacitated itachi and then they ruse to fight madara and hiruzen finally sacrifices himself to seal madara. Hokages for the win!
Then the remaining go and rape madara.
Hiruzen's soul is still the one that's sacrificed when Shiki Fuujin is used. Even if he does the Shadow Clone trick he'll still die. Also unlike Minato's use of it, Hiruzen appears to only be able to short-ranged. Sasuke could actually take Tsunade on though we now know she's a tough opponent to put down.
Let also not forget about Itachi's Tsukyomi and WTF sword, unless those are not allowed in this scenario. To be honest even if Hashirama beats Madara again it'll be a clash of gods where everyone dies in the crossfire :P
I still say the Uchiha win but that's only because Hashirama and Minato are doing all of the heavy fighting.
So you were there when the fight happened? Using logic I doubt kishi had hashi take on both the nine-tails and someone nearly as strong as him for a long time, instead of taking control over the nine-tails like Kushina said he did. He was able to capture the nine tails then proceed to give madara a beat down with nine-tails. Obviously madara who never knew about hashi's control of tailed beasts would bring one as he wanted to destroy konoha. Hashirama and tobirama cannot take him together as tobirama is featless and madara is more powerful than hashirama. But the fact that madara with even PS had enough faith in his abilites and decided he needed the STRONGEST tailed beasts help tell's us volumes of how strong hashi was.
No, Madara kills Sasuke himself, and then revives him for the lulz. Death god tech is useless as Hiruzen is too slow and cannot touch a Sasuke with Susano'o.
I'm sure Sasuke will one-shot Hiruzen.
Madara uses Susano'o and steps on Minato, crushing him like a little bug.
Itachi rapestomps Tsunade in the first few seconds with Amaterasu.
Old Hiruzen will be one-shotted by Sasuke. Try to keep up.
Tobirama kills himself as he knows how useless he is in this fight due to his lack of feats to compete with someone like Sasuke. Uchiha for the win!
Then the three Uchiha go and gangbang Hashirama, and afterwards, Madara takes a shit on Hashirama's body.
Try again, ma boi.
Not really. Hashirama is assumed to have defeated Madara and he thought he had killed Madara, as did the rest of the world. Now, we don't know how the fight actually ended, but Obito told Konan (when he was pretending to be Madara), that Madara only fought Hashirama in order to gain access to Hashirama's abilities, which he did get.
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At least Hashirama has something to his name, by way of Madara's usage of Mokuton, and Final Susano'o. Hiruzen has one battle against two Kages that weren't at full power and he got shafted by the power creep Naruto experienced in Part 2, whereas Tobirama has the creation of one broken jutsu, and the one feat to his name has been replicated by a bunch of mooks.
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Okay, and?
Also, Itachi is apparently capable of using it with one-handsign as well, at least, that is what is implied.
That's the same as Mei telling us that she can use Earth Jutsu. We don't know what exactly he can do with Space-time Jutsu, other than him skilled in it, and being able to count the number of people in the general area.
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We aren't really shown him using signs, but he is fast with hand-seals, so that's a possibility too I guess.
Also, whereas both Tobirama & Mei, apparently, used one hand-seal for the jutsu, Mei did use pre-existing water.
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No how does madara not know about hashi's tailed beast control when that was what made him considered the strongest in the world when madara was still relevant?
He obviously fought them both for a while and the fact that he did think he needed the nine tails help makes your arguments pointless as it shows how much stronger hashirama was. He still thinks hashi can take him ass tobirama who has been said to have good techniques and they can take him.
You obviously need to re read as I said after minato beats sasuke to a pulp he then seals him and and they proceed to finish of itachi and seal him. Then madara gets stomped.
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