That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Evidence & fact that I saw in the movie NOT surmising what would've or could've happened afterwards.
What we saw on the big screen was the first wave of aliens NOT mass murdering hundreds of people & NOT doing any serious collateral damage. No buildings were crushed to the ground...only several floors to a scraper had their office windows smashed by a Leviathan's fin. Even the dead Leviathan crashing on top of another building didn't collapse the structure.
Iron Man's "mini" missiles, were enough to puncture tank armour, and to completely obliterate a few dozen chitauri speeder things.
I really don't see why he, being one of the premier weapons designers in the world, would make missiles for his suit that were worse than something that an arab terrorist would have lying around.
I'm confused, what exactly would the army have done?
You guys do realize that was just the first wave of the alien invasion right?
All BW and CA were doing was dealing with the ground troops. Yes a whole army of US troops would be better, but where were they? They can't just instantly teleport there. And by the time they got there in big enough numbers, the Aliens numbers would have been too much.
I think it would have taken way too much fire power of the military to take down even 1 Levathian ship.
And Lol @ Iron Man's arsenal being weaker than standard military arsenal!
Oh and nice call about Nuke's being us saying we'd rather die than be enslaved.. Yeah easy for the guy pulling the trigger to say!
But I'm sure the people in the city would prefer the Avengers defeating the Aliens then the damn military coming in and Nuking them all! Lol
The luxury of preference is not the issue here. US armed forces would've defeated the Aliens. Sure there would've been more casualties, no one has argued against that.
Once mobilized, the first wave would've been easily dispatched by the air force, or a surgical strike. Individual aliens running around could be taken care of by infantry.
The US armed forces could deal with the bottle-necking the portal much better than Thor did. Send a nuke through there and mamma mia.
Heck, Russia or China (or together) taking on US would be a much larger threat than the Aliens even excluding nukes.
Oh yea and we're just talking real-life military, movie military would do better, and SHIELD should have all sorts of high tech weapons that they just forgot about.
Not RPGs, but the military definitely has greater fire power. Do I believe Stark could do better? Sure, but he didn't show it in the film.
As for dealing with tanks, say hello to the Javelin (portable missile)
But seriously guys, stop low-balling your own military
it's not my military. i just fail to see how you can argue that the current military could take out that foes that powerful when the only thing that did take them down was extremely advanced tech or brute force.
and no, i don't consider the javelin to be superior to what stark had in his arsenal.
That's what people are disputing, going by common sense I might add.
So that's the argument - Avengers took them down so that shows that the military couldn't have?
I was just comparing Stark taking out the tank and your comment about RPGs. You do know the military has more powerful weapons and missiles than the Javelin right? So you think Stark has more firepower than the entire US arsenal? I can't begin to imagine how you can genuinely believe that but I don't think we're going to agree.
I never said that the military couldn't have. My argument was that Stark, a weapons manufacturer that actually supplied the US military at some point, and built the Iron Man suit itself, is somehow weaker than what the US military can bring to bear in that kind of fight? Or is less effective than some guys with RPGs?
Yes, i know they have better than the javelin. But if we're talking weapons of mass destruction here, that sort of defeats the purpose of the entire argument.
OK, I read someone else say that then, and assumed you were in the same boat.
In terms of fire-power, absolutely. Imagine hundreds of missiles being launched by battleships, submarines, mobile silos, aircraft, tanks etc into the heart of the portal. Stark couldn't replicate that.
No one is saying Iron Man isn't an effective weapon, in fact he is probably the single most effective weapon. Key word is single, not against the entire military, and not when the goal is to destroy.
Well, even before going into WMDs, there are missiles/bombs that have yields greater than Stark's.
And we aren't even having the same argument lol. I was responding to people who said the Aliens would've taken over the world were it not for the Avengers.
I was talking about the portal because that would seem like the biggest problem especially when people claim the alien reinforcements would've been limitless.
You don't think the military (infantry, armored vehicles, aircraft) would've dealt with the relatively few aliens riding on space bikes? F-22s alone would've chewed them up. What if say China sent in 1000 aircraft fighters into that same city, would it have been the end for America?
Of course that's an issue. Sure we can destroy aliens and ourselves and pretty much everything all day with Nukes.
But exactly how does that save the People??
You still haven't proved or quantified how much force it would take to destroy even One Levathian Vessel.
When we're talking Nukes it won't just be "more" casualties. Your talking about mass murdering a large US Population, just to take out the first Wave of Alien forces.
How exactly?
Where will the Nuke be shot from exactly?
And will it be precise enough to go through the portal, from where ever it was shot from?
You mean the whole Chinese military would be a larger threat than one wave of aliens with only one narrow portal to come through. Sure.
Could the military have disposed of that first wave by blowing up New York to Kingdom come. Sure. Then the second wave would come through
What's next guys, the Military didn't need the help of the Autobots in Transformers because they could Nuke, or Carpet Bomb any city the Deceptacons go to
See, I don't agree lol. I think it would have been hard to establish air superiority against enemies that were capable of better maneuverability (yes, even with bad banking), and weapons strong enough to shoot planes out of the sky.
Maneuverability is debatable, but not very relevant once a missile is locked on.
I'm not saying the air force won't suffer losses, I'm sure they will.
Missiles from bombers, gunships etc etc. All carry a higher yield than what Hulk/Thor has shown (except for that one-shot, that was pretty boss). Same story. Probably the same story you're going to disagree with
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What "practical" military weapons (Aka so not nukes or MOABs) have shown to rival Thor's power output? The Javelin certainly is pussy shit in comparison.
Hulk also sort of halted the forward momentum of one of the leviathans with a punch. Those things were like flying multi-story buildings. Only probably heavier. Hulk's punch would have had a force in I'm guessing the multiple thousands of tons. Aka much stronger than a few RPGs.
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