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What about the F-35 pilot? What possible logical argument could you make for him flying under an overpass he just shot down other that retardedness?
What about Karl? He could have shot McClane in the back of the head while he was talking to Al? Yet he didn't, not due to bad aim, but simply because he chose not to,... like a retard
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
So his need for confirmation was complete justification for him flying under an overpass he just shot and and is actively crumbling in front of his eye? Why didn't he fly over it? Oh yeah, retard
The McClane factor is something you made up and doesn't exist in any part of the Die Hard franchise. McClane just survives, as I have proven due to his opponents being dumbasses.
No. Directly due to the McClane Factor. Except it's seen in all four films.
It's somewhat like reality-warping powers, except McClane isn't in direct control. He does stuff and the consequences of his actions ripple through the universe in all sorts on humorous and entertaining fashions.
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
The McClane factor doesn't exist It was made up by Kaibs and the rest of you guys so you could admire McClane's unskilled luckiness.
The existence of the McClane factor in the DHverse is equal to the existence of the tooth fairy in ours, just a delusion to cover up the hard reality, which is that McClane just happens to be lucky, which luckily for him, also compounds with retard opponents, thus giving him easy, gift-wrapped wins against petty wannabe-terrorist robbers and extortionists, rather than guys who actually pose an existential threat to humanity.
He has no "connection with the universe", like some Star Wars shit. If so, I would love to see the scene in whichever DH film that mentions it. He's just extremely lucky and his opponents are extremely retarded. Sure, he is pretty durable as well, but Bauer clearly outclasses him i nthat department, so it's not even worth mentioning.
Listen, just because something isn't specifically stated in a film, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The McClane Factor is clearly seen in all four films.
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
The only thing in the films we see is his luck and his opponent's incompetence
And, even if such a stupid thing did exist, it only helps McClane in his own universe. So that means when he gets to a neutral ground to fight Bauer, or goes to the 24verse to run the gauntlet, without his luck and only his minuscule amateur counterterrorism skills, it's very apparent he's going to lose. Horribly.
Also, you are outright admitting that McClane has no skill and has to rely on luck virtually all of the time Bauer has never had to rely on luck or an extradimensional force to net him wins, and he takes on a far greater quantity (and quality) of opponents than McClane wishes he could.
We also covered the "luck" issue. It's not pure luck, there's a shit-ton of one-the-spot resourcefulness. McClane's a MacGyver in his own right, except McClane leaves a trail of dead villains in his wake.
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The McClabe factor is just as non-existent as the McClane one
What resourcefulness? Like him "dominating an F-35", which he had nothing to do with and killed no one? Or him launching that Ford into the helicopter (which, once again, killed no one)? And any instances of his pure resourcefulness can easily be outshined by Bauer's
Really? You're now doubting his resourcefulness? Man, the McHatred is strong in this one.
e.g. driving to position the gunmen in the helicopter over a fire hydrant and then driving over said hydrant to create a spray that knocks one of the gunmen out; thereby reducing the helicopter threat-level by 50%. ON-THE-FLY RESOURCEFULNESS.
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
I'm not doubting his resourcefulness. It's just like I said, any instance of his resourcefulness is absolute crap compared to Bauer's. Watch his defeat of John Quinn (51:30 if you are interested).
That being stated, Bauer doesn't really have many feats of using resourcefulness for killing though, considering it's far easier to put a bullet into them, or snap their neck, or slit their throat, or stab them, or disembowel them....
What Bauer is definitely far more resourceful in than McClane is in causing pain
No, that fire hydrant helicopter scene followed by using a car as a missile cos McClane ran out of bullets out resources anything I've seen in 24 thus far. And that's just one scene in one Diehard film.
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
Yes, except the majority of the ass-kicking McClane dispenses is either through luck or the incompetence of the bad guys, rather than McClane's own skill, and the resourceful kills that can be directly attributed to McClane are unimpressive compared to Bauer.
I'm pretty sure the pilot who was inside the helicopter when a car went flying into it and then crashed and burned into the ground didn't make it. More downplaying,
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Then what is his best feat? I can guarantee you Bauer has done better
No downplaying.
The assailant lived. And if the only casualty was one inconvenient background guy who posed no threat whatsoever, then that really isn't anything impressive.
More downplaying. McClane completely neutralized a serious threat (two gunmen in a helicopter trying to murder him and his charge); he did so with on-the-fly thinking and without the use of a gun. Pure McWinnage.
As we saw in S3 of 24, when Bauer is faced with a grounded helicopter; a gunman and he still has bullets in his gun, he has to call in for help.
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Jul 17th, 2012 05:35 PM
Why didn't he fly over it? Oh yeah, retard
