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So what is McClane's best feat?
You talk about me downplaying? There were four assailants on that copter not to mention Bauer didn't have either a vehicle next to him or a tunnel to duck into.
There was only one machine-gun-men on that copter and Bauer (unlike McClane) had a gun full of bullets; likely a spare clip and he was protected by cover. Yet he fully ducked and had to call in Tony (has done this at least twice now) to save his ass via airstrike. There's no downplaying on my end, that's your pony.
PS, he also did have a tunnel in that scene, the one he ran through to get out into the water-channel.
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There's so many.....yet you can't list one (that isn't below Bauer's caliber)
at trying to downplay Bauer, despite the fact that McClane is more unimpressive. McClane never faced the machine gunner chasing him in the helicopter in a gunfight. He had to outrace him into the safety of the tunnel until he could plan an escape.
Not a tunnel with a bunch of cars in it, not to mention how far away the copter was. How would McClane have handled that situation, if he was in Bauer's place having to take out Saunder's copter? Is he going to magically materialize a car, or try to take them all on in a gunfight?
If we conveniently decide to ignore that McClane had run out of bullets, his main priority was keeping Farrell alive, did take out one of the gunmen via a super clever fire-hydrant-attack and then later completely neutralized the threat by launching a car into the air like a missile, sure, you MIGHT have a point.
By shooting them. The copter wasn't that far away, he had cover (hence Bauer's being safe while ducking) and he had bullets. I'd expect an ex Delta Force guy to do slightly better than crying home for an air-strike "Tony, save me again!" -Bauer circa S3. His on-the-fly thinking is nonexistent compared to McClane's. Dude can't handle the pressure, man.
Shooting, Icicle-ing through eye, killing someone with a luggage handler or zippo, shooting four armed guys to death in an elevator, cutting a dude in half with cable after surviving a fall that would have killed most guys, SUVing or crown-victoria-erisng a guy...its all the same to McClane.
McClane gets the manshit kicked out of him (Listen to him shout "Jesus!" at 0:43 ), until Maggie Q decides to turn her back, which can be attributed to the fact that, like I said, everybody in the Die Hard universe is a complete retard (which can be proven just as easily as your supposed "McClane Factor", because it is just a prevalent throughout the series). And then, because of the "Retarded Amateur Factor", McClane does the exact same thing of turning his back, allowing him to AGAIN, get the manshit kicked out of him
Bauer would have just broke her neck right there and put a bullet in her to be sure, so he wouldn't have gotten the shit kicked out of him and have to retaliate with a truck because he is that defenseless in H2H
Who will he be doing this to? As far as we've seen, it is only effective on harmless helicopter pilots (that's right, McClane didn't even kill his assailant ).
Of his retard amateur-hour world, yes
But when it comes to a real challenge, like a day in the 24verse, it's quite clear he is nowhere near champ, and in fact is a pathetic chump
Like the ones McClane won all through the movies, including the anomolus time against himself, when he shot someone (himself)and they didn't die, even though the person behind him died..
And counting McEU, (since youre still counting Bauer EU) McClane has killed thousands one after another. So there ya go.
and if he would every now and then, he'd be better entertainment and be box office sailable. The method of dispatch was popcorntastic too.
So..? He made the bad guys at such close quarters all die to death.
Oh really?
Well despite your spin, its obvious that Mcclane was out sped, but Maggie Q clearly hadnt "kicked the manshit out of him"..he knocked her out and could have kerbstomped her to death as she napped in the land of a 1,000 fluffy pillows. Mcclane turned his back too. So its all fair.
Well maybe McClane would too. But he is always a lot more entertaining.
So what...? Like you say....harmless.
Bosses and top arch goons (and even occasionally the odd pair of FBI guys) in helicopters die horribly against McClane.
The neutralised threat counts as a win.
A 'pathetic chump' who would wipe his ass with Bauer's opponents, as he does in all 4 (4 so far!) movies of his own whereas Bauer couldn't even stop an old lady with from pinching his biscuits. Zzzzzzapppp!!!!!! Zaaaaaaapppp! Zzap!!!!
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Complete coincidence that had nothing to do with him, just like the F-35. Not his feat at all.
And If we conveniently decide to ignore that McClane's only kill was a harmless pilot, he only had to worry about 1 guy in the chopper (whereas Saunder's chopper had 2), and he didn't even "neutralize the threat" because the threat (AKA the guy shooting at him) clearly lived
McClane's that accurate now? If so, why couldn't he kill one guy in a chopper and end up getting cornered in a tunnel?
Sorry that a pandemic is on the line and Jack wants to perform the most efficient course of action instead of showing off.
He didn't need to be saved. Saunders needed to be captured in the most efficient way possible
What do you think the entire concept of 24 is? Do you think he has any prep?
He's handled 20 consecutive months of it without a problem, man.
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An unimpressive, pathetic number compared to Bauer. Also, let's not forget that Bauer doesn't get shot twice
What a chump for being put into such a pathetic, helpless position . Jack would have disarmed him and snapped his neck in two seconds, no self-inflicted gunshot required
But......Bauer has killed just as many bad guys in his video game (and novel series)......
Unimpressively
Which is why he shouted "Jesus!!" 5 seconds into the fight
Via unimpressive ambush, since she was clearly a retarded amateur for not ensuring his death
He could have, like an effective professional, but he didn't because he is a pathetic amateur
Retards think alike
No he wouldn't, because he didn't
And time-wastingly reckless, which is going to suck when there are billions of lives on the line and he realizes that, unlike his retard universe, he's dealing with effective terrorists who know what they're doing and not pathetic wannabe-terrorists/ glorified extortionists
Also, throat rip>>>>>>>>>>>>>harmless helicopter crash in terms of entertainment
"against McClane" is different from "McClane was in the vicinity when it happened"
If these are the kind of pathetic amateur wins McClane dispenses in his fourth movie, it's quite clear to see how much of a chump he is comapred to Bauer
Dude....don....don't even attempt to delude yourself into thinking McClane has a chance against any of Bauer's villains besides maybe Gaines.
Against retard terrorists. Remember, Simple Simon outsmarted McClane, and he was a complete dumbass. McClane's villains severely lack in both quantity and definitely quality, because, just like everything in the DHverse, they are guided by the "Retarded Amateur Factor"
Especially with the McButthurt laden passages with "pathetic" and "unimpressive" and "retarded" betraying the zippo caused rectal lacerations within you.
And the PSX DH trilogy by itself outdoes and out bodybags the Bauer game. Thats without the other Die Hard games and media too.
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AKA you have run out of arguments
All of which accurately describe the DHverse, as I have proven via citing various events in which McClane and his opponents act like utter retards for no reason
You sure you're not just upset because Bauer already ate your throat?
'Cept you havent provided proof of them being retards.
Only of your own perpetual anti-McClane bias.
They've never gone full retard.
A McChicken wouldn't be sellable. It'd kill 100% of its customers whilst excelling in collateral damage and amusing quips which would be clucked at its dying victi- erm customers.
Not coincidence, the pieces fell into place at exactly the right time due to the McClane Factor. Only an idiot or someone purposely trying to downplay McClane would try and say something like 'McClane just happened to run over the hydrant and the copter and gunmen just happened to be in the perfect position.' Watch the scene, it was on-the-fly-thinking and deliberate.
Again, he neutralized the threat (helicopter & gunmen) and saved Farrell, all without bullets and in a fantastic manner. Stop downplaying. Bauer wouldn't be capable of reproducing that scene, he's just not cartoony enough.
Yes, McClane has shown great accuracy. Watch DH1-4.
Trying to up-play Bauer. He was stuck again and had to call Tony again; wouldn't be the last time too, as we see in S4: "Tony, save me, I'm trapped in a warehouse and out of bullets!" -Bauer circa S4. Funny, when McClane runs out of bullets, villains still die at his hands.
Yes, there is in fact shit-loads of prep in 24. Come on. Sting operations, setups etc.
Withstanding torture is not the same as pressure to act on the spot and come up with ingenious solutions to impossible problems. Like turning a car into a missile. Apple to oranges comparison.
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I've clearly established that it is less of a "McClane Factor" and more of a "Everybody in the DHverse is a retarded amateur" Factor
Only an idiot or somebody trying desperately to push the McBaldHead further down their esophagus would try and say something like "McClane planned out that obvious coincidence, just like all of the other coincidences he gets into"
Watch the scene, it was a lucky coincidence and had nothing to do with him. Unless it's like the massive overplaying earlier, about McClane "dominating F-35s"
Because he got cornered in a tunnel
That fantastically only killed a harmless pilot and not even the guy who actually posed a threat
Why would Bauer want to replicate that crappy only-casualty-is-a-harmless-pilot scene?
Which is why he easily shot down that guy in the helicopter. Oh wait a minute.....
"They're dead. Everyone is dead"
- only survivor of Jack's massacre circa S8
Funny when Bauer doesn't have a gun, villains still die at his hands (or teeth)
So Jack went into Day 2,4,5,6,7, and 8 with prep about the villains plans?
Only an idiot or somebody trying to massively downplay Bauer would try and say something like "Bauer can't handle intense situations, despite the fact that it's the main point of 24"
If "cornered" = neutralized the threat and saved his charge, he corners hard, brah. REALLY hard.
Helicopter was destroyed; threat was neutralized. Stop downplaying. Squirrel-Boy survived cos he was an uber bad-ass.
Bauer couldn't replicate that scene, he lacks the on-the-fly resources to launch a car. Bauer would probably still be in that tunnel crying to Tony on the phone: "There's a scary helicopter outside and I'm trapped, save me!" -Bauer. Which is the topic of this thread, Bauer lacking the ability to live in the Diehard Universe, no Tony Almeida to save him there.
McClane was out of bullets. Why do I have to keep repeating this?
Speaking of villains being idiots, that guy Bauer bit to death, he placed his neck directly in front of Jack's mouth like a retard. Doh.
Point is, you made yet another masturbation claim about Bauer 'never having prep', when he clearly does many a time. Accept that you were wrong in that claim and move on.
I implied Baer couldn't handle them as well as McClane in terms of on-the-fly thinking, which is a fact. One guy launches a car like a missile when pressured by a copter and gunmen, the other screams on the phone for a rescue. "Tony, save me again!" -Bauer
That helicopter was far from harmless, it had machine-gun men on board; why do you keep ignoring this? Answer: Cos you're a massive McClane downplayer. It's your only tactic.
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So the logical reason that an “expert” F-35 pilot flew under an overpass he could clearly see was collapsing is?.........
I mean cornered, as in, helplessly trapped
McClane can’t even kill him
Tell that to John Quinn
You act as if Bauer would have gotten himself cornered in such a position.
Because it shows your McBias, since you’re admitting how McClane can’t shoot one guy in helicopter yet when I asked how he would be taking out four guys in helicopter, you said that McClane would effortlessly “shoot them”
Not even in the same league, hell, the same continent as the “Retard Amateur Factor” of the Dhverse, where “expert” F-35 pilots fly under overpasses that they can directly see as crumbling
Bauer runs circles around McClane in quick-thinking. In 20 minutes plans out and executes the flawless kidnapping of a former POTUS and “neutralizing the threat” of the POTUS’s Secret service staff (far more dangerous than one chump in a helicopter) in a far more epic manner than McClane’s wimpy car launch, 15 minutes later perpetrated the utter slaughter of a Russian delegate and his entire security staff (after receiving a stab wound ), and then 1 hour later planned out the flawless execution of one of the most powerful men on the planet. That is a fact.
Can be said even more so for Saunder’s copter in Day 3, so your hypocritical claims of “McClane will easily shoot them”, despite the fact that he couldn’t even shoot the one guy shooting at him, are incorrect and moot. Why do you say this? Because you are massive Bauer downplayer. It’s your only tactic
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You talk about me downplaying? There were four assailants on that copter not to mention Bauer didn't have either a vehicle next to him or a tunnel to duck into.
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