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Because his gun jammed, and when he dropped it, it unjammed, so when Bauer picked it up he was able to fire it. Simple explanation. Sorry your McBias won't allow you to see it
Sorry, same BS in DH does not happen in 24, as shown by the fact that villains don't give let Bauer live and give evidence as to their enxt location. Bauer villains don't fly under overpasses they clearly see are falling. That's something that only happens in the DHverse, home of scientifically-proven "Retarded Amateur factor"
Bauer easily clears this gauntlet and beats McClane in any confrontation or any aspect of life
They're retarded, even more so. Like Nina having Jack tied to a chair; a gun pointed at his face, knowing he was still working for the CTU and instead of shooting him, she's kisses him and gets a head-butt (which Jack wasn't capable of knocking her out).
Listen, no one's going to think less of you if you remove Bauer's hand from your ass and just admit that the same nonsense you accuse of happening in Diehard, happens in 24.
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In your Mcbiased head, maybe
Nina isn't a supposed "trained mercenary" or "expert F-35 pilot" is she ? She is a legitimate amateur, so her mistakes are excusable. A supposed "trained mercenary" like Karl, not so much...
And if you've gotten as far into Season 4 as you say you have, you've seen Jack knock out guys with a single headbutt, so once again, stop consuming your Mega Mcbias and realize that he needed her conscious to, you know, get information, about stopping a pandemic? Of course McClane doesn't encounter such complex situations, considering his dumbass villains outright give the evidence to him
Once again, bringing more arguments that I instantly refute and then ignoring the blatant evidence I post against and not backing up any of your claims and answering none my my arguments because you can't. I'm telling you, those McBiases are poisoning your mind, son
Hahahahahahaaahhahahaa, the sheer excusing and denial is amazing.
Nina was a high ranking member of the CTU for years and she knew Jack for years, she said from the very start something like: "Bauer is still working for the CTU, I know their tactics". Her actions alone in S1 prove she's anything but a " legitimate amateur", unless you think amateur hour can mastermind and counter Bauer and the whole of the CTU? Then there's her actions in S3...
Damn, dude, if she's an "amateur", then the CTU and Bauer are drooling morons. Concession accepted.
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Hahahahahahaaahhahahaa, the sheer McBias and ignoring and downplaying of feats and general character traits is amazing.
Hey, when your McBias led you consider Nina was foolish, did you ever think that instead, maybe, just maybe, that Jack Bauer, a former Delta Force member and CIA operative just might also be good at espionage and undercover operations, especially considering he designed the entire undercover operation to begin with? But of course your Mcbias blinds you from obvious facts like this
Like I said, the sheer McBias and ignoring and downplaying of feats and general character traits is amazing.
Bauer's plan wasn't to be captured by Nina and held at gunpoint. It happened and she acted like a retard, despite knowing better.
You claimed her acting like a retard was due to her being a "legitimate amateur", yet she outplayed all of the CTU and Bauer in Season 1 and proved to be very formidable in Season 3.
So if a "legitimate amateur" (YOUR WORDS) can do that to the CTU and Bauer all at the same time, Bauer's not clearing Diehard 1. Concession accepted.
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I clearly refuted my "Amateur Nina agrument", because you were right it was incorrect
I replaced it with the correct explanation that Jack is a trained CIA agent and thus is a master in espionage and undercover operations (especially considering he designed the Day 3 one) and thus it is logical that he can fool a CTU analyst who has no known training in counter-espionage.
That's what I meant, if you could stop consuming that disgusting McBias, you'd see that, once again, I have successfully countered your argument
Bauer will easily clear the Die Hard gauntlet. I know that if you were looking at this through a logical frame of mind, and not through the Mega McBias frame of mind, you'd concede, so I'll accept your concession, don't worry.
The point of me mentioning Nina was to show you yet again that the nonsense and retard-moves you claim happen in Diehard, happen in 24. You can't though, the bias and Bauer-love is too strong.
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no, I made an incorrect statement and I refuted it. i am an honest debater, not a biased one who ignores blatant posted feats.....
The point of you mentioning Nina is moot considering I already showed how Jack is a trained espionage agent and his fooling of Nina was logical and not retarded
24verse doesn't have a "Retarded Amateur Factor", no matter how much you wish it did, but you won't accept that and are making faulty assumptions because you have gorged yourself on a diet of too much McBias
Actually, you didn't "refute" your comment that Nina was a "legitimate amateur", you went on to imply that her clearly retard-like actions where due to Bauer's planning, when his capture clearly wasn't. So no, you're not being unbiased or honest here; the exact opposite actually.
As it stands, the CTU and Bauer were both countered and played by a "legitimate amateur" (YOUR WORDS).
Gender: Male Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan
Once again, you Mcbias is McMisintepreting what I stated. I'm not implying anything. I outright stated it. Bauer is a former espionage agent, thus he has the tactical know-how to fool his targets. Don't get mad because he knows how to concoct a good cover story. Nina's no amateur, but she's only a CTU analyst. She has no training in counter-espionage.
Yes, like I stated a billion times already, I refute that statement.
-Nina knew Bauer was faking the whole time (S3)
-Bauer being captured and at the mercy of Nina wasn't in his plans (S3)
-Nina outplayed the CTU (S1)
-Nina outplayed Jack Bauer (S1)
-Nina tricked Bauer into setting off a virus in the CTU (S3)
You did not refute your "Nina is a legitimate amateur", you just danced cos you realized you claimed Bauer was played by an amateur and that kind of shit won't let him survive in Diehard.
As I said before, no one is going to think less of you if you just admit that the nonsense and retard-moves you claim happen in Diehard, happen in 24. It's ok.
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Sorry, but Bauer is a trained espionage agent who had the skills and proper cover story to fool her. See, that's one thing you forget. There's a reason she kissed him. Remember the last time they met in Day 2, Jack had to be held at gunpoint to be stopped from driving away with Nina and executing her. That's why she felt she had to get the pardon to murder him, because she knew Bauer was going to kill her once they got the info. So it's quite obvious he hates her with every fiber of his being. So the fact that he is willing to kiss her tells her that he really has lost all will to live, and allows her to believe his cover story. Of course, this is truly because because Jack is a badass mofo who skullcaps her about 4 hours later, but yes, as you stated, it can be attributed to "Bauer's Awesomeness". Jack has the CIA training to conduct undercover operations and the willpower to kiss the person who took away the person he loved.
The main lesson of this is that Nina's mistake can be attributed to Bauer's skills in espionage more than her own slip-ups. Even if she did make a mistake, it was logical one that even the best of villains could have been slipped up by.
I admit there is some stupidity from characters, but nowhere NEAR the level of illogical shit that happens in Die Hard. What kind of retard has McClane disarmed but doesn't pat him down to grab the pistol on his back? Marwan scanned the hell out of Behrooz as soon as they intercepted him. They did that with everyone they captured. So did Gaines, and Ali, and, well, everyone. It's common logic to do a pat down. Even the stupidest 24 villains did this. Even Bauer's first villain, Gaines,
But not in the DHverse, where "exceptional thief" Hans doesn't even follow this basic tenet. What kind of...well...amateur does this? Probably the same amateur who hires gunmen who, when they have McClane in a completely defenseless and distracted position, don't kill him immediately. See, this is why it's certain Bauer can easily clear this gauntlet, and also what affirms the Retarded Amateur Factor
The main point I'm making of all this and the reason I am asserting the stupidity of the DH villains is to show that Bauer is placed in far more dangerous, perilous, and intense situations than McClane has ever encountered on his worse day. McClane's adversaries are just...well....retarded amateurs, in comparison the threats to global civilization Bauer takes on in a daily basis.
Hahaha, no. She knew he was faking and she knew she should have shot him when she had the chance. Stop dancing making excuses like you did with the Cartel guy and accept that Bauer survives many a time cos of people suddenly acting very stupid. It's okay.
The Diehard franchise isn't as forgiving; you made a fatal move in dropping Bauer in it. You should have picked something easier for him, like maybe 'Bauer Runs The Lethal Weapon Gauntlet" or "Bauer Vs The Care Bears".
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Your McBias is actually twisting your sense of logic inside out. Now the 24verse is the one with the Retarded Amateur Factor? Sadly, no. Bauer has an excuse for tricking Nina because he's trained in espionage. Nowhere near the level of stupidity of a F-35 pilot flying under an overpass he clearly sees is crumbling, which is the level of stupidity required for McClane's chump villains to not massacre his drunk cop ass.
It's so forgiving that it's chief mastermind doesn't even know how to do a pat down . Stop ignoring just how weaksauce McClane's wannabe villains are. They are chump wannabe terrorists and common thieves. Bauer would laugh at these guys in comparison to the existential threats to humanity Bauer takes on in a daily basis. Also, as stated, they are amateurs at what they do, considering a supposed "exceptional thief" can't conduct a pat-down. Bauer's villains are nowhere as stupid. One again affirming that McClane only gets his win because the established Retarded Amateur Factor essentially makes him Stanley Stupid in his world. Things will not bode so well in the 24verse, especially if he has to take time outs to tend to his foot
Damn. Now everybody's gonna die. Including Theo.....
I don't think it gets any easier than these chump wannabes. I'm positive the Care Bears pose more of a threat.
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