We already proved that while McClane is less flashy he does well enough to make it through 5 movies.
Bauer cant make it through 1.
He just beats up on low grade TV villians.
And McClane owes his life to noone, where as Bauer is comparatively nursed 24 hours a day.
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Yay. McClane needs less resources than Jack does. Doesn't change the facts that his feats suck dick compared to Bauer. Like I said, McClane can go jerk off in a dark corner with his "lone-wolfness", because it is irrelevant to this thread when McClane is clearly lacking in feats
Proving McClane didn't need as much resources (BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO AS MUCH) doesn't mean shit when he doesn't even have any feats of skill to help in the thread scenario
McClane lacks feats???!?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You've obviously not actually read any responses in this or other threads at all, have you..?
Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to rehumiliate yourself by treading needlessly over old McGround.
The DH movies are a couple of hours each, proportionally he did MORE than Bauer in the time that each movie has...
As said earlier: If Each DH movie was 24 hours, If McClane had that long to sort out the bad guys, everyone on earth who had been even slightly bad/violent would be dead or behind bars, the economy sorted, and famine/poverty sorted out globally..
24 is a slow paced family drama compared to Die Hard because of it's length.
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Yeh. Good....defense mechanism there.....
Yes. He does
Nah. I just want to make sure people don't confuse your nonsensical McBullshit with the truth
Very precise calculations there. Too bad they are pure speculation and don't mean shit when onscreen evidence clearly favors Bauer as having better feats
Nah hes just a simple chihuahua from the DH verse.
(IE Way tougher than Bauer, Bauer supposedly representing the toughest of the tough in the 24 verse) and that shows the 24-verse
to be a soft ass land of rainbows, pillows and weaksauce people all round compared to the DH verse.
Probably why they never made a 24movie, and why you're 'debating' for a character that fails to qualify for MVF, as well as failing to come from a universe tough enough to take on McClane.
If you don't like retarded strawmanning, you can stop doing it anytime you want.
Meanwhile Ive proved what Im saying not to be strawmannery at all.
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Look, it's this simple. Bauer has better feats than McClane in the categories of Hand-To-Hand Combat, Firearm Proficiency, Melee Combat, and Counterterrorism. Therefore Bauer wins
You are strawmanning because you are bringing up a scenario which
A) Has nothing to do with McClane
B) Is Horrendously false, considering that the tazer in question was SEEN ONSCREEN to knock a man unconscious in 2 seconds, which leads to
C) Is Horrendously retarded, as you are referencing a time in which Bauer had a tazer held on his heart for 10 seconds.That would flatline anybody, including McClane. You would have to be a dumbass with no knowledge of the human body whatsoever to not know this.
D) Is Horrendously Ignorant, considering that a more hardened and experienced Bauer has later feats of withstanding 20 months of this:
And resisting their interrogation out of sheer willpower to the point of Not uttering a single word, so it's not like Bauer can't tank tazer electricity
But instead of comparing some speculative bullshit, let's focus on REAL COMPARATIVE DURABILITY FEATS, AKA the fact that Bauer took two knife wounds to the abdomen and a bullet to the torso and was still able to wrestle people to the ground and walk away from the scene. McClane took a bullet to the same area and fell immediately, and was helpless to stop Gabriel from lifting him, only gaining just enough strength to shoot the bullet into himself.
Unlike your bullshit scenario, this is actually comparable, not to mention this is both characters at their final appearances. So yeah
Bauer has better feats, no matter what way you look at it. Bauer wins. Stop being a retarded McTroll about it and concede.
Thats right. Logic would have involved adhering to MVF rules, for starters. And realisation that downplaying, misrepping McClane and over amping Bauer wouldnt work might have triumphed. But nooooo..
I think the fact is that the most vociferous and passionate hater of McClane/biggest of fanboy of Bauer to have lived started this thread is a big clue as to the bias level he is at and that this was never gonna be left at its logical conclusion..
Lesty your passion for and commitment to Bauer is admirable, but this thread has seen everything you said in your last post proven wrong. Over and over again. I know you didn't get the result with your troll thread that you anted, but sometimes thats the way the cookie crumbles in life Im afraid.
McClane wins on eligible feats (Bauer actually has none here).
If only you hadnt turned the AVF thread into a troll verbal abuse a thon when you lost it, this could have been debated in a forum where a TV series could have applied. But nooooooooo....your tantrums got it closed when Bauer lost.
B is not false. The dog part was true.
And That News guy was a joke/pussy. And he was still tougher than Bauer as he lived.
In a small dog like that chihuahua anywhere you tazer it, its near its heart. Your logic is a failure Lesty, might be all that butthurt colouring your vision.
Why would anyone debating for McClane concede? He clearly wins, despite all your showing off. You arguments have been destroyed, your thread was illegitimate and born from bias rage on your part in the 1st place, and McClane still is superior... to concede would make zero sense.
How about YOU concede, since anyone reading this thread from page 1 to here will see you lost, you would finish with honour...
I mean, you rage quit twice...would quitting a third time but in honorable terms be such a bad thing?
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My main thing is that I hate seeing false information propagated as the truth. People who are interested in and read this topic in the future should be able to get the facts instead of nonsense.
Yes thats what I've been saying. Nice parrot technique. And they won't be swayed by your empty claims of 'victory' that alternate constantly with butthurt fuelled rage and verbal abuse.
They'll also notice that a big clue was your creation of this thread with preemptive massive bias in mind...as evidenced by your not recognising the countless times your assertions have been disproved with hard evidence. You cannot 'back down' because of your pride and your rage at not being able to simply insult, tantrum and deny your way into correctness.
Yes. 'Cute', 'true', '100% spot on' whatever you want to call it.
I didn't have to refute anything: The facts did it themselves.
Everything you claimed about Bauer has been smited as untrue.
Everything you said about McClane has been downplay, gimping, and gross misrepresentation of fact...and when that failed, you proceeded to butthurt spiteful verbal abuse, trollery and insults/tantrums.
In what way is that a Bauer victory?
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 01:34 PM
Bauer has NO movie feats whatsoever, and McClane aces Bauer move for move. And he does it without CTU wiping his beat up ass all the time. Read this thread for details. I know you didnt bother reading the facts the 1st time as you were too busy kneejerking and lashing out. You are king of ignore mode.
You said, for example that Bauer single handedly saved the world from nuclear holocaust... HE DIDNT.
You also said that Bauer was tougher than a Chihuahua from the DH verse...HE ISN'T. Thusly proving that DHverse is tougher than 24TVverse.
Both are trueisms that you willfully ignore
No amount of bullshit you say will change this.
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 01:44 PM
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Nothing in your post proves how McClane performs better than Bauer in H2H, gunfights, melee, or counterterrorism. You're just strawmanning like a ignorant troll and, once again, it's quite pathetic indeed (although amusing ). Bauer has far better feats and thus wins.
(Just like my previous post- As you have again just proved.)
You see strawmanning where there is none.
And childishly resort again to more butthurt insults and lies.
Gee...you really must be smarting today..
Are you gonna rage quit again?
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 01:57 PM
Everyone McClane faced H2H: Dead
Everyone McClane took on in a gunfight: Dead
Everyone McClane fought at melee range: Dead
All terrorists McClane faced: Dead
All unassisted in combat without constant CTU and POTUS backing.
All lucky or not, done in a movieverse that is popluated by much tougher opposition, according to logic, than the TVverse of 24.
McClane is tougher, more durable arguably a better shot, luckier, and more creative in the field than Bauer, and actually has Movie feats.
You gonna cry/stamp your little feets some more now?
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Nov 23rd, 2012 11:25 AM
Very precise calculations there. Too bad they are pure speculation and don't mean shit when onscreen evidence clearly favors Bauer as having better feats
