Thanos was physically damaged when he fought Odin and theres nothing proving he is going to smile against planet busting PLUS power.
How much power did Surfer use? You all are the ones that like to debate using fts. The blast that Surfer used didn't even burn the chair behind Thanos.
Yeah, his shields is a huge help to his durability but planet busting would rip through them and in time, Goku strength would as well. Look at the Champion fight if you need proof.
LOL... plnaet busting like I've said and the planet that drax and Thanos destroyed was tiny as hell. I would even go as far as to say that the Thanos with the planet destruction, is a one time ft....never happeed again. Especially when we have people like Groot punching Thanos and him feeling it. Groot doesn't have a single strength ft and his punching power pales in comparison to Goku.
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Last edited by carver9 on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:23 PM
I don't ask you to prove that every blast a DBZ character uses is planetary+ or whatever in scale. If I did, I'd point out the blast that killed Cell left a crater smaller than a city block, or how Vegeta releasing all his energy did similarly small collateral damage.
Don't be a ****ing hypocrite, if you can help it.
Champion hits hard enough to destroy planets. Goku doesn't hit a millionth that hard.
Look at this clown using the lowest feats of the character.
Groot would beat Goku to death and rape his wife.
His Avengers showing was one of the lower ones (Though from what I hear his Cosmic Cube malfunctioning left him drained and weakened).
Oh, and Thanos survived a black hole that was two kilometers in diameter, with naught but a few scratches and superficial bleeding.
Goku of course would have died, as would every DBZ character combined if they were there.
Adam Warlocks entire plan depended on Surfer getting a light speed starting distance, and going full bore to grab the gauntlet. Thanos obviously reacted to his passing, even though he was moving well above the speed of light.
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Why? The gems don't automatically amp reaction time, and he never explicitly amped himself.
The fact he reacted while cosmic level sensory input was switched off, relying only on his own senses, is what makes it a feat.
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@ NemeBro: Janemba was stated to be a universe buster. Buu was said to be a reality buster by the Kai's, and Goku defeated him, and even outclassed him in power, while simply lacking the ability to hold SSJ3 for long enough to fight him briefly AND destroy him with one attack. Goku could have killed Buu with one attack, who was said to be able to destroy "all of creation itself!", just by screaming.
Thanos would get pulverized by Goku without the gauntlet, and with it, Goku could easily snatch it off by going hilariously FTL to confuse him before taking it. Goku casually beats universe busters, and tanks multi-galaxy busting attacks from Bills.
@ Whoever said Goku couldn't avoid telepathy: They have telepathy in DB/DBZ too, lol. If someone is severely more powerful than whoever's using telepathy, they can easily resist it with mere ki output. Even Goku has shown some low tier telepathy.
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Janemba was a what-if scenario. Unless the only cannon version of Superman is the one made by Jerry Siegal that could run faster than a bullet and tank a train hitting him, I think you're pretty ignorant. Akira Toriyama at least helped make the Janemba movie, so Janemba's already more cannon to DBZ than PC or Superman Prime is to DC.
Plus, you left out the thing about Buu, and everything else, so, you just look incompetent and ignorant by posting a six word comment that only addressed a small fragment of my argument, that was almost unmentionable. I lol at your false sense of superiority, that makes you look even more stupid than your profile pic, so... lol.
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I haven't brought up a single feat by Superman Prime or Pre-Crisis Superman. Were I to make this some composite Superman using every Superman ever, Goku would be stomped even harder than he is.
Janemba is not canon to the manga in any way, shape or form. Period.
Nor could he destroy the universe in a blast, so hey.
The rest of your argument sucked ass. Buu destroying "all of creation" by screaming is, you guessed it, filler.
Goku never defeated a universe nor fought a multi-galaxy buster.
Thanos has though.
His name was Odin.
Your argument relies predominately on filler for a leg to stand on, and you grossly inflate feats and make some up, also your mother is a whore.
Buu being able to destroy the universe is canon in the manga iirc. Granted that he would only be able to do so through chain reactions. I know for sure that he tore a hole in a dimension by just screaming, but I'm not 100% sure about the whole "universe destroying" thing. Can't check the manga atm, but will do so in a couple of hours and get back to you guys. Though like I said, it would only be through a chain reaction at best. Not at all applicable to a fight. Same goes for Janemba, but who cares about him.
With all of that said, Odin would solo everything in Dragon Ball, canon or non-canon. Thanos on the other hand, can take on all the top-tiers (with the exception of Whis since we don't know what he's capable of) and come out on top. But he wouldn't be able to solo, imo, since Buu's absorption to counter his immortality and his lack of speed.
As for Thanos' reaction speed, the Fallen One instance would be the best example that I can think of at the moment. Him reacting to Silver Surfer's light speed+ blitz is not usable since he was in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet.
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Didn't you say that Nappa can beat up Superman? Do you really think the difference between Thanos and high herald characters is that big? Sorry but I'm not buying it
No, I never said that Nappa could beat Superman. I only said that Nappa can defeat Iron Man and the difference in power between high-heralds and Iron Man isn't close to the difference in power between Frieza and Nappa. As for the second part of your post, yes I believe the difference in power between Thanos and Superman to be huge. Like I can see Thanos one-paneling Superman if the latter doesn't have plot power.
Well, that's some meaningless argument to make. Any speedester sees stuff in slow motion, even when the opponent is faster than you he's in a slow motion version of his own movements. I guess if you don't see him at all then you don't see him in slow motion.
@ Nemebro: The DBZ anime was produced AND created by Akira Toriyama, the original DB author/creator. The DBZ anime, aside from the few dubbing errors(such as instant transmission being light speed, and Raditz being faster than light*even though through powerscaling, you can easily tell he is around 6-8 times FTL*), DBZ is separate cannon from the manga.
DBZ manga cannon, puts SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu at multi-galaxy level, which is stated in the manga that Kid Buu "In only a few short years, destroyed countless worlds and entire galaxies." and many billions of times FTL, as even Tien could punch FTL and Goku as a child dodged his punches. DBZ anime cannon though, has SSJ3 Goku above Kid Buu, who in the anime is stated to be even stronger than Buuhan, who is above Buuhan, who nearly destroyed reality itself by screaming. Goku in the anime lifted a 10 by 10 by 10 block of katchin, which is scaled at around 600 octillion tons, AT LEAST. He didn't lift it in the manga, but he did in the anime.
Whiss from BOTG's, stated "You all ought to be more careful around Lord Bills. When he get's angry, entire quadrants disappear in an instant.", which is a direct quote from the movie. A quadrant in DBZ is a quarter of the universe. Other characters in the anime, which includes movies produced by Akira as cannon(which excludes the Bojack and Cooler movies, as they were the only two not produced by Akira himself), that have been stated as universe/multiverse busters, are Janemba and Buu(presumably all forms).
Now, while I know this isn't Highlander, and you don't get the powers of someone you defeat or are stronger than, powerscaling works very well when determining powers in DBZ. They all use the same energy source, and the larger source of that energy(ki) will win a fight, as long as the weaker doesn't have any hax abilities like Guldo, who freezes time, or Ginyu, who can change bodies with others. However, using ki, if a smaller ki can destroy something, then a bigger one can do the same, easier, and even on a larger scale. I mean think about it. If you compare a grenade to a zhar bomb, the grenade is nothing in terms of destruction. They both use explosive force, but the bomb has much more, meaning it can destroy more than the grenade can.
So, by powerscaling, anyone stronger than Fat Buu is also a unvierse buster, according to the manga... Or we could just say that Fat Buu can destroy more than SSJG Goku, Vegetto, Bills and every other character who shits on his power level... which would be like saying TOAA can't destroy a universe because he never has...
@ TheTyrant: No.
@ Carver9: Yes.
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I'm pretty sure at no point in the anime Kid Buu is stated to be stronger than Buuhan, they simply said that his power seemed to increase when he transformed.
Superman isn't stomping Nappa and Nappa hand lifting blast would mess him up something serious unless we just use Superman at his highest.
As for the [email protected] I'm telling you is, Roshi is much faster than Thanos. What I am also telling you is, Thanos has been blitzed by Gamora and she doesn't have a single showing on Roshis level. With that said, if Goku doesn't want Thanos touching him, even with CIS on, Thanos ain't touching him.
Goku would talk about him and his speed...hell, Goku might walk through his blasts, depending on which attack Thanos use. TP is Thanos saving grace because minus that, he is getting his face busted up before he gets the chance to realize he is in a fight.
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Last edited by carver9 on Jan 14th, 2014 at 07:32 PM
He has better speed feats, Thanos isn't really depicted as a speedester. I don't think it would give Roshi the win though, even if we ignore TK from Thanos, Roshi's speed is a non-factor, as Thanos has tagged much faster opponents.
Thanos has hurt characters that can walk on a star unfazed, even if Goku doesn't get dropped by his blasts -assuming he gets hit-, I think he'd get hurt.
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