And yet, I didn't. Man, you're like...wrong about everything all the time.
Wrong. That is not the only point I made "of merit".
Wrong. They were in the SSJ state, the whole time. Even during sleep.
Incorrect: even the doujins based on that disagree with you. He was in SSJ state, even during baby making times. Don't forget that Chi-Chi was quite strong, herself.
I forgot to further my point but reiterating that Gohan, in Movie 8, looks like he does in the manga, in the HBTC, around the time he was able to use the SSJ transformation at will, as seen here:
I was wrongt perhaps in your inability to actually accept criticism for faulty logic, or perhaps your inability to detect a simple joke...
it was the only one not immediately shot down in a ball of flames.
Proof?
Right, because Hentai comics are SO canon now...
UGH! He looks the friggin same as when he did during the Cell games Dadudemon! The only difference is the clothes! And even THEN, he was weearing his mini Piccolo outfit when he fought Broly, the same one he got when he exited the Time Chamber!
Where did you purchase your logic dude, from the Reject Shop?
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Riiiiight, because 1 out of 10 days where Vegeta and Trunks went back into the HBTC makes such a convincing argument...
It at least makes far more sense that actually plucking them out of thin air in the middle of their HBTC Training in another f***ing dimension where nobody else could reach them and time moves so fast that any message from the outside would be a garbled mess. Tell me, in all honesty, why the hell would they come out of the HBTC after 3 months?
No, it really does not. The 10 days bitween the finish of their time chamber training and the start of the Cell games is really the only time big enough for the events of the Broly movie to have actually had a reasonable chance to actually happen.Tthey were not doing anything else, and most of what happened during those 10 days actually never got any air time anyways.
9 days if you count Trunks and Vegeta's 2nd run. Thats still doable within 9 days, rather than less than 24 hours your theory provides.
Of which we see a miniscule fraction of on panel and even from onscreen filler in the Anime.
How much time do you think the Broly movie actually took? they had 10 days minus Trunks & Vegeta's extra go, that leaves 9. The time Paragus's ship took to arrive on New vegat from earth? I would say, 2 maybe 3 days. Time spend on NV? perhaps 48 hours before Broly popped his top at most. Thats 5 days. And the trip home? 2 days, give or take. Thats 7 days total. That still leaves 48 to 72 hours for the rest of the filler shite to occur...
I'll say this, one more time. There was actually NO DIFFERENCE in his apperance. His hairstyle remained unchanged, and he actualy wore the outfit Piccolo gave him as he left the Time Chamber. He wasn't wearing Saiyan armor... Your grasping for straws.
They were able to go ASSJ after their first go around in the Chamber.... Which is demonstrated in Vegeta's first fight with Cell, well before the time you picked for the Broly movie to occur... Plus, Neither Trunks nor Vegeta actually demonstrated anything new with that extra day in the time Chamber during the Cell games, they both were still being resoundly kicked by Cell Jrs... Nice way to hamstring yourself...
So, the fact that he doesn't use the form after getting his can Kicked by Cell, and told the faults of the form doesn't strike you even a little bit as the reason why he never used it on Broly?
It is the ONLY difference you actually shown. You didn't even address the points I made, so yeah, I accept your concession. Run along now.
He said that Trunks's strength greately surpassed his own genious...
They used those forms after exiting the HBTC the first time when they fought Cell on the islands! Geez I can't beleive this needs to be spelled out for you...
Your wasting my time by asserting you are right in that reguard, when clearly you are very much wrong...
I work security myself, sometimes nights, sometimes days. And it was more or less a figure of speech, you dolt!
You mistake me for C-Master now? i doubt you'd find my big hairy ass attractive in the least.
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You, seriously need some reading skills mate, either that or your trolling.
Not for me to do. You made the claim, you provide the evidence, or admit defeat.
It, infact, does. You've made another claim, then failed to back it up by refferencing some 'Doujin', provided no screen caps, no title, page numbers, canonicity level, or anything remotely relevant, then tried to pass it as fact. Sorry little man, not gonna fly here.
We don't see that. And he'd have to find a place to dump the slaves.
But even if we do take that possibility into account, that shaves another 48 hours off the time, thats a plus for me. That would give them 110 hours to 134 hours, or 4 to 5 days spare. Even more time for the filler.
We do see that. Broly explodes and Goku (falling backwards) puts his fingers to his forehead and disappears. Then we see the comet rip apart NV and then we see Goku and company(the slaves too iirc) in his yard where Chi-Chi in hanging up laundry. Then Goku pops up and says "My hobbies are reading and sports!" and Chi-Chi faints.
We actually see him and the Z-Fighters pop into the spacepod already filled with the Slaves, Oolong and Roshi. What happens after that is unknown until they reach Earth. Wether or not they ITed there or landed the ship is all speculation.
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That is a completely non sequitur reply to the section you quoted. Read that section again, learn of the context of that section you quoted, and then make a proper reply.
Additionally, facts are facts: it matters not whether a fool is convinced by them.
That's not what happened: the writers did not "pluck" them from anywhere. They just simply create an alternative, parallel universe, where the characters, at that particular state, are recreated in that universe at their current power levels. They simply write stories for those characters. That is the benefit of being a writer: you can make up whatever you want and that is what they did. You missed all of the logic as to why your justification for what "state" they were in is wrong and I am right. Go back and address that. And, no, your "reason" does not make any sense, at all: it has no substance to why you are right and I am wrong. It is actually not a reason, at all, because of how the writers write those non-canon stories.
Incorrect: the trip took multiple days and they stayed at least 2 days on New Vegeta. And what happened in those 10 days did get airtime. It has no reasonable chance to have actually happened. That is why it is non-canon.
Incorrect, again. There were 9 days left when Gohan and Goku get out of the HBTC, literally stated in the manga. That leaves at least 1 day for Piccolo to have to train and 1 day for Trunks and Vegeta to have to train. That's not 10 days for the events of movie 8: that is now 7 days for movie 8 to have to occur. Then on top of that, you must subtract at least 2 days from that 7 left because of how long they spent on New Vegeta. So now we have 5 days left for a 2-way, interstellar trip. But wait, there's more! Goku tells Gohan that they will rest for 3 days, train for 3 days, and rest for 3 days in the real world. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/drag...33/c006/13.html
Then a couple of days pass from then (they go fishing, visit with Chichi, then go on a driving trip):
So now we are left with just a few hours for the events of Movie 8 to have to have occurred: impossible since they stayed at least 2 days on New Vegeta and then you have to account for the trip and then you have to account for at least 2 days of training for Piccolo and Vegeta and Trunks. So it is impossible for it to fit. So what else are we left with? Oh, that's right: that is why the movies are non-canon.
So this becomes the explanation for how the events can occur:
"...the writers did not 'pluck' them from anywhere. They just simply create an alternative, parallel universe, where the characters, at that particular state, are recreated in that universe at their current power levels. They simply write stories for those characters. That is the benefit of being a writer: you can make up whatever you want and that is what they did."
Incorrect: several episodes occur during that 10 day period. Making it even more impossible for the events of movie 8 to have occurred.
Incorrect: when Gohan and Goku come out, there are 9 days.
I would say the same. HOORAY! We agree on something!
I disagree. I think it was faster than that. I think they spent a total of 2 days on New Vegeta. He popped his top on the first night they were there.
Okay, I agree here, too.
Okay, I'll go with this. No problem: 2 days.
Okay, that sounds good. 7 days, thus far, in your account.
I agree. But then you have to account for the day of training from Piccolo. That leaves 1-2 days. Then you have to account for the day of training from Vegeta and Trunks, again: that's 0-1 days left.
Then you have to account for the 7 days it took Goku to find the dragonballs: that's -6 to -5 days. Then you have to account for the 2 days Goku spent with his family before he started collecting the dragonballs: that's -8 to -7 days.
So, going by your measures (of which, I largely agree), we end up with a best case scenario of -7 days and a worst case scenario of -8 days. Obviously, that is impossible.
I'll say this one more time: he was older, post movie 8, in the cell games. He looked older, was older, and was taller.
That is if you falsely believe that Movie 8 occurred around this time: they never went ASSJ making this point of yours, wrong.
1. That may be true but Vegeta said that even with his extra day (for a total of 2 days), he was still weaker than Goku's less than a day stint in the HBTC:
Only Vegeta and Trunks could stand up to the Cell Juniors: Cell's own words.
Dude, you're so wrong about tons of stuff, man.
That is not the point: it is the fact that he didn't use it, at all. The movie was supposed to occur during that 10 day period and they had those forms. Trunks could have greatly increased his power. With all of them fighting, Broly's speed would not have been enough to keep up and Trunks could have used that form to his advantage: he didn't. He didn't even use the ASSJ form nor did Vegeta.
Incorrect: I made multiple points that you have ignored. I accepted your concession as soon as you replied: anything you typed that contradicted me in your first post was obviously wrong. I am used to almost always being right about everything.
And yet, you lack the ability admit you were wrong. Here it is, again:
"Wrong. You said this: "Murai trunks would have manhandled Cell if not for the decrease in speed. Cell himself confirms this."
To which I replied: "Incorrect: Cell did not admit that. It was only power that exceeded Cell's, not that Trunks could have 'manhandled' him."
"Of course, you have great strength. Of course, you greatly surpass me." does not equal, even if we have allow for a liberal interpreation of your words, the following statement: "Murai trunks would have manhandled Cell if not for the decrease in speed. Cell himself confirms this."
At no point does Cell say or even imply that Trunks could have mandhandled Cell if Trunks did not lose speed from the USSJ form. In fact, we know Cell was holding back, the whole time, against everyone, in his Perfect Form, until Gohan went SSJ2. As seen, here:
So, no, you are yet again wrong about something else.
Says the person that is so directly wrong it is painful to watch you continue post.
You fail at reading comprehension: they did not use those forms in Movie 8 and that is exactly what i said in my post. Clearly, the characters used for movie 8 were not even used from the same time-period: Trunks and Vegeta from before their first stint in the HBTC and Gohan and Goku about 3 months into their first stint. How much about the non-canon-ness of movie 8 do you need before you realize the writers took some creative license? lol
Suuure...and yet, I have proven you wrong on every front, by this point.
I understand that: but it is more fun to prove you insult wrong by using real world evidence to make even your insults wrong. MWAHAHAHAH!
I agree: it is ugly. But that did not stop you from sharing your butt pictures with me, fella.
Honestly, when I saw that you had posted in this thread, I dreaded it because I was positive I was about to be pwned. It was a relief to find out that you agreed with me.
I remember getting trounced by you in a Frieza thread several months back. In fact, it was that thread that made me look into DBZ PLs a bit more thoroughly.
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