Then what was the point in saying "if colossus is able to fell thor, then I'd give it to superman"?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
You're either not getting this on purpose or incapable of.
HOW they're beating him is easy: they''re portrayed as being more powerful than him, whether in the form of energy projection or physical might amped by the Phoenix.
This really isn't hard. How does Thor getting beat up multiple times by foes clearly shown to be operating above his level consistently mean he's not at high herald levels? Makes no sense, and even less sense to argue that Superman beats him because of it.
Then how do you determine how strong the Phoenix Force and the people it amps are then? Especially when they're being used as evidence to suggest Thor loses?
At least you finally acknowledge that it was stupid comment.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Easily snap Rulk's arm, beat up Gladiator while holding back, take on entire teams of Avengers which include the likes of Thor and Rulk, etc.
That's why limiting a character to an specific arc and barring other feats is a problem because when a threat, specifically a new one, arrives and is shown to be > than Character X, it's clear the intent is to show how this character is more powerful than X, and operating at a level greater than the one of the character they've beaten up. It's also why arguing AvX has made Thor weaker is a horrible leap of logic when the opposite is much more obvious and makes more sense:
They're just more powerful than he is. And Thor has always been high herald level and nothing AvX did changes that.
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Considering Supermans speed was arguably below the flash but not by a huge margin in Justice League. Since this is only AvX Thors feats outside of this arc doesn't count. Speed could be a big advantage here unless he has shown some kind of speed feats.
Apparently, Thor managed to punch out a mutant with localized time manipulation which makes the mutant in question appear to have super speed of sorts.
Outside of that, I can't think of any explicit showings of speed other than Thor flying super fast and managing to hit Mar-Vell after Mar-Vell claimed he could see and perceive all of Thor's actions before they happened due to his amped Cosmic Awareness.
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Uuuuummm...Flash was blitzing the hell out of Supes. Supes got one lick on a Flash that stopped moving and you call them "near".? No, just no. Looking at on panel fts, Thor will hit Supes just like others have.
After Thor completely shattered her Phoenix-empowered diamond form to tiny pieces. Something a Sinisterized Tiamut didn't even do to normal diamond form Emma Frost.
So the blasts that Phoenix Namor hits Thor with to knock him out are the same ones he's hitting Cap and Black Panther with. What an astounding deduction.
In the meantime, Thor fought the full Phoenixforce three times, stalling and crippling it in two of those fights. An entity that's been one-shotting planets left and right (and a herald).
I mean, yes, this event has had Thor losing a lot and is far from well written, but it's clear - painfully so - that the PF and its hosts are portrayed as being > Thor. How that in turn means Thor is weak is beyond me, to say nothing of using these examples as evidence as to why Superman would win.
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thats a pretty good feat imo. Though I can't give an entirely explicit answer to this other then Thor may have some good durability feats as you previously mentioned but Superman has a lot more with all of his different appearances in the New 52. I would say that getting hit by the OE and living is a pretty decent showing also.
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