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Nemebro raises a valid point though.
The anime is just an adaption of the manga, which is the true canon. There's no indication in said manga that blasts approaching c can be fire by the cast, especially that early.
There's actually a point much later in the series where Gotenks circles the earth multiple times, and it takes him far too long for him to be even approaching c. He was actively racing to test his new speed.
That precludes Piccolo's early blasts being that fast, don't you think?
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Anime is supposed to be used when the manga isn't clear enough on something or shows something that the manga couldn't. Such as speed of attacks. However, if there are things where the anime contradict the manga, then the manga wins.
Personally I'll never use manga over DBZ's anime. My dislike of comics aside, the anime is a far bigger and more prolific part of Dragonball than the manga ever has been, both in terms of audience size and material.
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Yes I know. Many times. Goku allowing his hand to be stepped on by an elephant contradicts that. The fact that it hurt, at Full Power Super Saiya, yet punched by a being punched repeated by super beings often get littler more than grunt... is a contradiction.
That franchise is rife with inconsistencies and contradictions.
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All of you are wrong: the anime is canon unto itself. Both the manga and anime are canon: thus sayeth the God of the Dragonball franchise: Akira Toriyama.
So any gimpers (Yes, you, Nemebro) that want to claim that the anime is not canon are factually incorrect.
The medium that can be used in this thread is determined by the OP, NOT you guys. So you can kindly STFU about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable until the OP clarifies what he wants to be used as source material in this thread.
You are using an edited clip (not cool, dude...that's dishonest).
Here's the original where the Farmer owns the utter living crap out of Radditz with his gun:
Actually, Ki energy is very potent. If the farmer knew how to harness that PL of 5, and quite well, he may very well be able to do that. Videl is able to form a tiny tiny bit of ki energy into her hands when Gohan was training her. I'd put her PL at 10-20, there.
IMO, it is more likely that those pieces are being teleported to their location rather than traveling to their location. "Summoned" says it all, for me.
So, no, let's go with the pieces first being summoned and then being thrown at her from a few feet away. Let's just as arbitrarily say that they are moving at 50 kmh rather than billions/trillions of times faster than light because, hey, WW exceeding the laws of physics by using a greater than infinite amount of energy to move faster than light, while in a corporeal/physical form, is far less believable than her moving at around the speed of sound.
But, if you want to believe she breaks the laws of physics and exceeds an infinite amount of energy, that's okay: it just doesn't make sense.
Let that be a lesson to any of you that want to make DBZ characters move faster than light (except in the instance of magical teleportion or feeling spiritual energy across the universe (like when Goku wen to SSJ3 on Earth and the Grand Kai could feel his power all the away across the universe)).
As far as who wins: obviously WW. The one thing that Dragonball characters have over many other characters in vs. matches is their ability to fight at extreme hypersonic speeds. Not speed blitzes, not straight line fight, but fighting all over hundreds of miles of land by just exchanging blows (no homo). However, in the face of characters that can react to and even counter relativistic fighters (and, supposedly, fighters that use am magical force that negates the laws of physics: SF), she has an edge.
I would put Android 18 at thousand to millions of times stronger than Post-crisis yet pre DCnU WW...if things were scaled properly and Toriyama wasn't an idiot.
However, Android 18 gets dismantled while exchanging blows with WW. I say the fight lasts 10 minutes with a 10 out of 10 for WW.
On another note, this thread should now be a rule 34: Wonder Woman sexes up Android 18.
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1. In the manga, Roshi near instantly destroyed the moon. Light takes about two seconds to make the trip.
2. The Gotenks feats is pretty ambiguous. It shows the rings, but it doesn't show whether it took him nearly his entire fusion to make the trip and that he was bluffing about taking a nap afterwards, or whether he made the trip near instantly, than took 20+ minute nap. However, he performed this feat in his unamped state. SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 should be substantially faster.
I think Wonder Woman beats Android 18. She's not quite as fast as Superman, but she's up there.. And unlike most of the Z crew, her speed feats are provable high end ones..
Also, her durability is pretty insane as well.. Taking class 100+ punches is par for her, and she has crazy stuff like smothering an exploding warp core against her body to protect Kyle and the surrounding city.
I think 18 beats WW. But only because she's blonde and I'm a gentleman.
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Diana isn't faster than superman. She is however fast enough to engage in a fight from earth to sun and back in 1 minutes and 26 seconds. What's warrior 18's best speed feat?
That's hyperbole and non-canon because I say so and it suits me f*ck off rawr!
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How would he know? He doesn't have a way of measuring, and the actual speed he shows is massively less. We have people like Frieza taking significant time to cross a mere part of a planet. A planet is way less than a light second across and it took him a fair while to travel from Nail to Dende & the dragon balls.
So not only are you pretending that the anime is canon (No shit it is canon to itself dadudemon every ****ing anime is canon to itself no matter how unfaithful to the manga), but that the friggin' dub is canon?
That line does not exist in the original Japanese.
To be fair here, if we're going to use what the characters say in the anime, then Goku's line about his Instant Transmission allowing him to move "at the speed of light" kind of blows the FTL stuff out of the water. If that's lightspeed in their universe, then the actual fighting they do, isn't.
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