Regardless, character statements >>> your opinion. Akira Toriyama having Vegeta state that he could have destroyed the earth >>> your opinion that he was speaking in hyperbole.
Period/end of story.
The clip shows Vegeta and Nappa talking a bit in space outside of their pods---then Vegeta charges up/blasts Arlia---then we see the planet explode, with Nappa talking in the background---then they carry on a several-sentence-long monologue, before enthusiastically chuckling at the carnage they'd caused---then the scene ends.
Clearly the rigors of space(this includes not only an airless vacuum, but temperature extremes as well) weren't intended to have an affect on Saiyans in the anime.
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It's all about intention. Where the anime is concerned, it's quite obvious to me that Vegeta/Nappa (and by proxy, the entire Saiyan race) were intended to be able to exist in space unaided. Heck, Bardock had a full-on war with Frieza's henchman in space, and didn't even skip a beat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNuaG1f2cQ
The intention is pretty clear, imo.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jan 10th, 2013 at 04:30 PM
Roshi could destroy the moon with a power level less than 200. Piccolo could destroy the moon with a power level of less than 1000.
It should stand to reason that Vegeta with a power level of 18,000 could easily destroy the earth....just as easily as Piccolo and Roshi destroyed the moon.
My opinion>>>>>>>>>>Toriyama's opinion>>>>>>>>>>>dragonball character statements>>>>>>>>other KMC poster's opinions.
Like you mentioned, Roshi's PL was around 180, and he was capable of destroying the moon. In comparison to the moon, the earth is roughly 4x larger in diameter, 49x larger in volume, and 81x larger in mass(that's what Google said, at least.)
That said, Saiyan Saga Vegeta had a PL of 18,000, making him 9,900%(over 9,000!!!) more powerful than Roshi! So yeah, character statements + a bit of logical deduction, should cement the notion that Saiyan Saga Vegeta was definitely a planet buster. There are no facts (opinion=/=fact) that contradict his claim.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jan 10th, 2013 at 07:03 PM
a.) I'd like to know where you came up with the notion that it requires 1,000x more energy to destroy earth, than it does the moon. I suspect that you are, again, trying to apply real world laws of physics to a fictional universe where many of those laws do not apply, whilst simultaneously ignoring the narrative of the story in favor of your own opinion.
b.) By your line of logic it would require a PL of 180,000 to even have a shot at destroying the earth. Given Vegeta's statement, and the fact that no contradictory evidence was given to us by Akira, that is purely unacceptable.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jan 10th, 2013 at 07:51 PM
Yeah its called a reply, and seeing as youre only reply is "Nah Im right lol thumbs".. taking it that you cant actually prove what I asked for or counter anything I said.. which sucks cause I need something to debate :c
Oh yeah..
Statement1- Freeza/Saiyans admit that they cant survive in space.
Statement2- Vegeta admits that he wants to live and is more than willing to flee from a defeat =/= kamikaze instead of losing.
So.. Akira's backing me up? :T
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I have character statements from the manga itself(as well as the anime) supporting me. You have unsubstantiated personal opinion 'supporting' you. There's nothing to debate here.
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the problem is people who use math too much and people who make too big of posts...i thought this thread already had the needed answers...its like a disease...Math-o-Posterisis
Could be explained by him wanting to kill Goku so badly that he didn't care the costs. And he was afraid of dying before he killed Goku.
Or he was pushed to the edge in battle but after his attack was bested he calmed down and saw how foolish it was to place himself in danger like that a thought up a new plan.
You didnt prove anything in your replies.. didnt post anything new, expand on point or counter anything I said besides ignoring it or shrugging it off.
I just gave you in-canon proof that Vegeta wasn't suicidal on the edge of defeat = didnt want to die = wasnt going to blow up the planet. Dont with the same evidence you use. So, yeah. Characters are on my side.
What I dont get is how people can look at how insane Vegeta is here all the way til his scream after the blast.. people can see the man snap and still take what he says in this state as 100% fact and not just the words of a mad man.
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Christ, just because Vegeta was pissed, doesn't mean he was speaking in hyperbole (). In fact, he was SO pissed at that point that he was clearly ready to do ANYTHING he needed to do to defeat Goku(including destroying the earth, and possibly himself in the process.)
Stop acting as though your personal opinion supersedes character statements. It's ridiculous. Akira intended for Vegeta to have sufficient power to destroy the earth, hence the very specific verbiage he scripted into that scene. End of story.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:36 PM
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Jan 10th, 2013 01:59 AM
Nice rant.
). In fact, he was SO pissed at that point that he was clearly ready to do ANYTHING he needed to do to defeat Goku(including destroying the earth, and possibly himself in the process.)
