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That's why he tanks an axe to the face in a cutscene, resists being crushed by 60+ tons in motion, can be fired at the ground out of a cannon in the sky, ect?
You mean King Bulbin who could not even hurt Link when they fought in the desert? Quan gets butthurt, resorts to insults. Predictable.
Yoda doesn't need to block it, he can just move, Dumbledore isn't fast enough to tag him as Yoda can react to blaster fire.
Yoda doesn't need his saber, unlike Dumbles who needs his wand. Yoda wins with a single force push or saber strike.
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Both felt the blow back of this. Both went back. Yoda didn't simply redirect all of it like he did against dooku showing that the power of the attack is significant. Yoda fell back. Against Dooku he didn't budge.
This is oneshotting the foes of Harry here even underwater. That's how powerful the fire he is using is. We have seen a prolonged exposure under lightning and Luke walk away like he was afflicted with nothing more than a headache.
One feat doesn't negate all the other times something slower than a bullet tagged him. That doesn't mean we only discuss his greatest while ignoring the rest.
Lightsabers are able to. Windu does so. But this isn't Windu this is butterfingers Yoda.
That's horseshit. That just clouded Palpatine's identity. In combat Yoda was just weak. To be ko'd in such an easy manner is unforgivable. The upper mages of Potterverse drum the best the jedi and sith have to offer.
Figuratively not combat related. Windu bet Palpatine. Yoda's bitchass failed just like he did against dooku. Order 66 dominated the weak jedi. Potter wizards>>>jedi and sith.
Seriously, it was a direct statement from one of the most powerful Jedi of the era.... Yeah, it was literally and combat related. They were not at their best.
Order 66 beat them because they were outnumbered millions to one, and shot in the back. On top of being weaker than they usually were.
And also of him catching it, which gives him the reactions to. Shown feats and powerscaling says Jedi's can react.
Never denied Palpy's is stronger. Just because he didn't redirect it doesnt mean he wasnt overpowering it, as per their reactions
Arent those ones weak against fire? EW powered Firestorm is the strongest attack shown in HP afaik, main impressive thing about it is beating foes weak to fire under the water (is possible to have flames underwater, magic would aid this). Its the strongest spell we've seen, but flames won't be the greatest tool in this fight, and his others aren't this powerful. (EW is in this thread, right?)
Btw what spells are fatal in power? (besides AK)
Torture, not killing. Think about it; a short burst was able to knock around Yoda, yet after a continuous stream Luke was able to walk away. And it can do this to characters that can take large falls and amputation better than we take a kick in the nads.
What times? Catches and dodges things thrown at him. Deflects blasters. Fights with agility beyond any humans. The only failed reactions are the lightning, which Yoda still manages to prove to be able to catch when focused. In only a few circumstances moments does he not demonstrate this.
Watching the scenes from Episode II, the blaster shots are definitely around supersonic. Padawans can easily react to blasters.. Knights and Masters are obviously above Padawans. Yoda is able to deflect supersonic blasters.
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No, it was not. We also see Obi defeat Anakin despite being underskilled and the whole weak excuse you made up.
No, they were and besides the fact that's really all we see of Yoda so you can't ignore it anyway.
Not my fault the most powerful jedi ever is a bytch and a complete and total failure.
They weren't all outnumbered 1 million to one. Some were taken out by blaster fire from grunts. To have them all save two go down in this pathetic manner it just shows how weak the jedi truly were.
It depends on the power of the attack. We can't blindly assume he can catch any attack and it also contradicts the Palpatine blast as opposed to the dooku ones.
Yoda felt the residual pushback of it after. This proves he can't just easily redirect anything and it all depends on the power of the attack in question.
When did it state in the movie that they were weak to fire ? Do you ever listen to yourself ? It's more powerful than the force lightning. Quit dancing around it. It isn't the strongest attack we have seen either in the movies. I am comparing his most powerful attack and it shits all over an attack that barely ko'd a forty pound senior citizen animal. We see Mr. Weasley completely disintegrate a foe showing even she shits all over Palpatine's lightning.
Luke walked away after Palptine said he was going to kill him. That's a direct statement and he was under the duress for probably well over thirty seconds. Awful. Watch the scene again because I am not even discussing the torture blasts just the I am going to kill you now blasts.
Yoda was also hit by an attack far below human standards. Quit just arguing based on on selective showings. That's what fanboys do. Yoda was barely on screen. He had two major fights and was ko'd in one and failed to put down an inferior opponent in the other. Laughable.
No matter how hard you try to abc logic your way through this a 3-4 second attack ko'd him. Canon. Happened. Deal with it.
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Funny, the novel disagrees with you, as does the commentary of the movie:
"Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber. And it always was that Anakin cut the lightsaber out of his hand. But this part where he pretends to lose his power and be weak was something that I added later, 'cause this is, it moved the point where Anakin turns down to this moment right here, and you can see now, that it's very clear that he's, he, he wants him to go on trial so he can pump him for information about how to get these powers."
Absolutely not. His lowest showings are 15 second reaction times as he sits and waits for Dooku to stop his tk attack. I for one don't really think timing these things is the way to go about this sort of debating but blood rain started this whole mess.
He might feign weakness but that isn't the same thing as allowing himself to be defeated. You really lack the comprehension to even understand my simplest points.
We see in the movie he is disfigured by reflecting the lightning back into him. That's clear. From this point on he wears the hood over him to hide his disfigurement. He's clever and uses this to his advantage. Palpatine is very cunning and manipulative. He's a great politician.
We're talking about the reactions to catch the attack, not the power.
Your single example of a '3 second reaction time' is being caught offguard with the force lightning. CIS as we see Yoda catch force lightning, so like that human punching example Yoda in in that range.
One feat doesn't negate all the other times Yoda reacts to faster things. That doesn't mean we only discuss his lowest feat while ignoring the rest. Basically this.
-Yoda is hit by Force Lightning when caught off-guard, a CIS moment.
+Yoda catches Force Lightning when focused
+Yoda catches other things thrown at him
+Yoda dodges things thrown at him
+Yoda moves and jumps around at a speed unobtainable by any human
+Yoda fights with a Lightsaber at speed unobtainable by any human
+Nearly all force users show speed and reactions to do the above. Yoda's at the top of the list as only few could match him in combat
+Padawan's can deflect supersonic blasters. Yoda is above any Padawan.
CIS moment that gets countered in the same scene vs dozens of fast showings.
"However, like many creatures that dwell in cold and darkness, they fear light and warmth, which we shall therefore call to our aid should the need arise. Fire, Harry"
Why is it more powerful? The only thing we see it do is defeat Inferi.. creatures that were already being beaten by Harry's weaker, non-EW powered spells. We need to know how powerful it is.
The Disintergration/Reductor spell, which is use after the spell that makes an audible cracking sound come from Bellatrix. A combo. And you're ignoring the part about who it effects. The fire spell is used on weak Inferi, her combo on a person with a human body.. the force lightning damages and knocks out beings with durability and stamina far above any human.
Its still torture, Force Lightning has been used as torture several times in the verse. The very fact that he can move after, when we know that weaker Force Lightning (Dooku) is able to defeat characters in one hit, proves that it was torture. Unless you believe that Luke can tank far more than every other Jedi, or that Palpy's lighting is weaker than Dooku's.
As said, these characters are far more durable than regular humans. A human can sustain a great injury from falling merely 10ft, while a damaged Yoda can be hit with a force blast, fall 70ft and just get up and walk away showing no injures.
Luke can take amputation, he falls to non-fatal lightning.
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Being outskilled? You mean a Master beating a Knight? Not that hard to believe. Especially when you look at how much of a wreck Anakin was, how Obi-Wan trained him and therefore knew his fighting style, and how Obi-Wan had 20+ years of training on him.
You mean like Dumbledor? How he is quite weak and a complete and total failure for not stopping Voldy sooner? (Also, Luke is much more powerful. As is Anakin.)
They were outnumbered 1 million to one, minimum. They were fighting planet sized battles across thousands of planets, with only 1 or 2 Jedi per planet. And blaster fire by grunts? You mean blaster fire from behind? That's how Dumbles died, he got hit in the back. Your entire point there is utterly invalid in light of that one fact.
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