You're convincing yourself of false facts. Bane was a good villain, but not a great final villian. Those plans where Talia's, and they weren't any greater than Ras' or Jokers. He broke Batman physically, and Joker broke him mentally, which was much worse. Bane, while significantly more competent, was nothing more than hired muscle just like in the Schumacher film. Besides the first sentence, all of that is fact. That is the end of the discussion.
He carried the plan out. He was the focal point. She might have been someone he answered to but for what we know he did so. You're speculating because you're biased. No, Joker was easily rounded up. Batman needed the entire police force to take back the city. Bane>>>Joker. You lose.
Bane was once in the LOS, which would imply that he probably shared their ideals. The fact that he continued to do mercenary work afterwords almost confirms this. We don't know exactly what kind of work he did, but it had to have fit inside his destructive, totalitarian mindset. Combine this speculation with what we see on screen, as well as his fanatically devoted followers, and compare it against what we see and know about Talia, and it brings your theory into doubt. Obviously Talia and Bane owed each other, and were close to each other via their time in the Pit, which leads me to think that they were co-conspirators. If Bane was just another lackey, the movie we saw wouldn't make sense. Why focus so much on one guy who's not important in the grand scheme of things? At worst, Bane would be akin to the decoy Ra's Al Ghul that was killed in Batman Begins.
I do agree that The Joker is a much better villain, however. I enjoyed Bane(and Talia, what little we saw of her), but there's a good reason that one was nominated for an Academy Award and the other wasn't. It's not Hardy's fault, I blame the flaws of the movies instead.
I like how this went for 15 pages. F*ckin nerds, man.
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This. TDKR had a plot that was just too complex(convoluted if you're less forgiving) to do in a single movie. I mean, f.ucking Kill Bill and Harry Potter and Twilight had finales that were split into two movies and all of those had far less going on in them.
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I hate to be the one who brings this up, and I'm not saying that you specifically are like this, but whenever I hear the "Bane was Talia's b.itch" argument, I can't help but sense a certain amount of sexism. If it had been Ra's Al Ghul working with Bane on the Occupy Gotham plot, I don't think many people would have complained. But because it IS Talia working with him, that makes Bane p.ussywhiped.
lol at "working with". Bane was working FOR Talia, becuase he was in love with her. He was her top lieutenant and most loyal man. But he was her subordinate. She was in charge. He was, by definition of the word, her henchman.
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The moment Miranda reveals herself as Talia, it becomes obviously apparent that Bane was a)never in charge, b) following her orders & c) hopelessly in love & faithful to Talia.
A love that Talia didn't give back but exploited in Bane.
This doesn't make Bane her b#tch but a faithful follower.
In the end, it's Talia's plans to follow in her father's plan to destroy Gotham, not Bane.
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