I'm not talking about him being a hero I'm talking about everything Bruce built Batman up to be. A creature of the night to strike fear into villains. Bane totally tore that apart. Not even the Joker did that.
The fact is Batman tried to use everything he built himself up to be in the Bane encounter and it got totally taken from him.
His striking from the shadows, his armory, his body, his desire to save people. Bane took it and broke it all.
Also Bane plunged Gotham into far more Chaos than the Joker did.
All that was already 'torn apart' before Bane showed his face and spoke with his silly voice. ie Batman was gone/retired and a murderer. By the opening scene of Rises, Gotham's criminals no longer feared him; Gotham's citizens no longer looked up to him as a hero. All courtesy of the Joker.
Batman was less than half the man he was in their first encounter.
There wasn't much to take, he was washed up already.
Bane also had a lot more help and it wasn't Bane. Talia was the mastermind, Bane was the muscle/grunt. Joker was #1 in his schemes.
He wasn't torn apart, criminals still feared him except they were mostly in jail. And Batman had some of his better feats leading up to the Bane fight so he obviously wasn't half the man he was.
Bane was the one doing all the calculations and planning. Talia was just the pretty face was all. As he told the doctor by my calculations. He was more than a grunt/thug.
Batman was torn, shredded and broken by the start of Rises. He had been retired for years (possibly presumed dead) and Gordon had cleaned up the streets using Dent's death and faulty hero-status as the push to galvanize all of Gotham against crime(key element of the end of Returns). Criminals didn't fear Batman any longer and he wasn't a symbol for good. Cos of the Joker. Why Gordon wanted to tell the truth during his speech in Rises.
No, it was evident at the end that Talia was pulling the strings all along. From Wayne losing his fortune and so forth.
What Bane says regarding the operation is largely irrelevent pre-Tali reveal, since he was trying keep her role hidden in it all a secret.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Bane: By Talia's calculations...ohhhh crap.
Batman: Who the hell is Talia?
Bane: Umm, no one. Shut up. Good going Bane, you really screwed the pooch on that one.
...And yet could still put his leg through a brick pillar without flinching. I wish Nolan would have made his mind up.
More interestingly, how did the big but not gargantuan Bane have the strength to pick up a fairly large brah in what is presumably heavy-ass armor by the neck with one hand and carry him aloft like a declawed feline?
The anesthetic pain didn't convey superhuman strength in the film, did it?
Indicating that such a feat is below him when he was at his peak. Plus he just smashed it a bit, he didn't put his foot through it and they were old bricks.
The fact is that a doctor spelled out for us just how badly Bruces body was damaged, and it was basically a lot. Besides which is the decline in his fighting prowess.
Bane is borderline superhumanly strong. He shatters a side of a pillar with his punches and cracks Batmans cowl.
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