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Pre-SSJ Goku during Frieza fight was already thousands of times more powerful than spaceship Goku. Saying that Goku was not class 100 by beginning of part 1 is one thing (wrong, but whatever), but during Frieza fight? Lol

Buu saga Goku struggled with 40 tons in his base form, this Goku is > Frieza Goku by most people's estimation. I mean, Goku didn't get weaker, right?

and it's not like gravity training was a big thing with Goku and Vegeta and neither of them ever cranked the gravity up to a level that would make their own body weigh 100 tons. Waitafeckin'second...

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Claim you're right all that you like, without evidence you simply are not. It's simple.

Well if you cant prove me wrong then I remain correct. Its like in law your innocent until proven guilty so until you prove me wrong I stand correct.

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Buu saga Goku struggled with 40 tons in his base form, this Goku is > Frieza Goku by most people's estimation. I mean, Goku didn't get weaker, right?

and it's not like gravity training was a big thing with Goku and Vegeta and neither of them ever cranked the gravity up to a level that would make their own body weigh 100 tons. Waitafeckin'second...

Your forgetting again that 40 tons was in 10x gravity. And thats not his base anymore its basically kid buu in his base form.

Oct 22nd, 2013 12:13 AM

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Well if you cant prove me wrong then I remain correct. Its like in law your innocent until proven guilty so until you prove me wrong I stand correct.

Burden of proof boyo.

I can 'say' the Universe is contained within a snowglobe owned by a sentient potato, and you cannot prove this wrong, that does not make it correct.

Also, I have pointed out several flaws in your claims, so yes. Prove your claim or concede the point.

Edit: Funnily, since you mentioned law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

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Buu saga Goku struggled with 40 tons in his base form,

Shadowboxing =/= lifting. That showing is also inconsistent and took place a bit before the Buu saga actually. I think 7 years or so before it as a matter of fact. Plus, that was in 10x earth's gravity.

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this Goku is > Frieza Goku by most people's estimation. I mean, Goku didn't get weaker, right?

Frieza destroyed a huge planet using less than 1 percent of his power, tanked destruction of a planet point blank, but was cut to pieces by Trunks.

Goku was using his finger to deflect Trunks' swings.

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and it's not like gravity training was a big thing with Goku and Vegeta and neither of them ever cranked the gravity up to a level that would make their own body weigh 100 tons. Waitafeckin'second...

That's not the same as lifting or punching strength. And as I said, Goku was thousands of times more powerful before even going SSJ against Frieza.

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you have pointed out no flaws you only gave your beliefs so im still right 64000 tons is gokus base form cause you still have not pointed out any flaws that you can prove. i have gave you logic that you wont believe cause it hurts your characters chances of winning.

Oct 22nd, 2013 12:17 AM

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you have pointed out no flaws you only gave your beliefs so im still right 64000 tons is gokus base form cause you still have not pointed out any flaws that you can prove. i have gave you logic that you wont believe cause it hurts your characters chances of winning.

I lol'd. Project a little less, read a little more.

Your logic doesn't hold up even within the series you're trying to apply it to. Never once in DBZ are power levels indicated to scale linearly on a 1:1 ratio with ki. In fact the opposite is shown. You're trying to multiply Goku's strength by his power level but... Well!

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I lold I cant believe you forgot Piccolo fused with Nail.

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I lol'd, I can't believe you think I'm using DBZ abridged as a serious argument.

Also, no, I did not forget that, the important part is what Vegeta says. Power levels. They are bullshit.

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I lol'd, I can't believe you think I'm using DBZ abridged as a serious argument.

Also, no, I did not forget that, the important part is what Vegeta says. Power levels. They are bullshit.

I know they are but your still stupid but that still dosent give proof that super sayin modes dont give goku a huge boost in strength once again you fail. laughing

Oct 22nd, 2013 12:27 AM

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Oh, the super saiyan forms do boost Goku, I don't deny that. What super saiyan forms do not do is multiply all of his stats perfectly linearly. He does not gain the strength of 50 base Goku's added together.

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Oh, the super saiyan forms do boost Goku, I don't deny that. What super saiyan forms do not do is multiply all of his stats perfectly linearly. He does not gain the strength of 50 base Goku's added together.

I said 20 at first but you still disagreed

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You'd need to prove it boosts him by 20 times, you haven't.

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You havent proved me wrong yet either but i gotta go i finish this tommorow

Oct 22nd, 2013 12:33 AM

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Burden of proof

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wrong again kai said put 40 tons on him thats their weight on their planets but on earth its 400 tons so get it right. Once again my brain and using your own words against you has lead me to victory once again.

Don't mix mass with area specific weight.

If the mass weighed 40 tons on earth then it would weigh 400 tons in 10g. But, if it weighs 40 tons while in 10g then that's it's weight under 10g.

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Don't mix mass with area specific weight.

If the mass weighed 40 tons on earth then it would weigh 400 tons in 10g. But, if it weighs 40 tons while in 10g then that's it's weight under 10g.

Im threw arguing with you mini paste im arguing with scream paste hes much more intellegenat.