It was many blasts FROM BOTH characters. Did you even read the story? They were fighting for a long time. Power was going everywhere and they were hitting each other. I don't have to prove that they disintegrated as the art proves it. Also the narration proves it too, "
galaxies are shattered"
They disintegrated hundreds if not thousands of herald beings without touching them. It takes a lot of force to do that. It takes more than a billion times more than that to do it without touching them. No, a blast that can disintegrate all those beings HAD to be able to destroy the planet as well. Not the other way around.
It doesn't because it doesn't prove he can disintegrate a high end mindless one with his own power.
I disagree. As WBH did it without touching them, which takes more than billions of times more force. I'm not saying Odin couldn't have survived that. I'm saying Odin is not surviving if Hulk puts his hands on him (big difference).
They were stated to be so powerful that they can kill and overwhelm Umar. Thus they were high end. And let's not forget the amped Wendigo and Bibeast.
I skipped it because I was shitty. It doesn't support Odin being able to disintegrate a high end Mindless One. Not even close. Hell Thor did almost the same thing, as well as BRB. Others have hurt or jarred Galactus too.
The planet disappearing thing is impressive (I don't see any squishing like popcorn though). But HOW Odin defeated him in no way suggests he can again disintegrate a mindless one. My english skills isn't sufficient to write a good argument that shows that this feat of Odin is garbage.
But I'll try:
First, it seemed as if the darkness was energy. Manipulating energy or using magic to defeat energy beings doesn't really show Odin being able to disintegrate beings capable of withstanding Neutron stars.
Reported? Ha Ha. You think I'm trolling? Not only do I believe what I'm saying but I believe my logic is flawless and my point is the truth. Trolling is something totally different buddy.
Also, you are not using Odin at his average but his highest showings ever (many which happened a long long time ago). Not only I'm I still arguing against Odin at his best but you are faultily using Odin at his best here when you should be using an average one (like Odin against Thanos or even Odin one shotting Surfer).
One shot and he "only" shattered galaxies. Same as the start when they sent shockwaves through the multiverse when they traded shots, and same as when Seth shot a blast and Surfer felt it "again".
Though shattering entire galaxies is obviously worse than disintegrating beings with awful feats, failing to disintegrate the planet, and failing to cause any damage to Umar
That's all I read before I strongly wanted to disintegrate my computer with a punch.
H1, this response is more than enough to know that you have no intention of improving your current state of...you know. So please continue squirting glue on your comics and eating them, I'll be off doing my own thing.
How was it one shot when the narrations says, "Though the battle appears to be a simple slugfest, it is simultaneously waged on every plane of existence! Long-dead galaxies are shattered! Distant dying suns are reignited!"
That means during the fight this was happening as time progressed. You should know better than that. You are reaching here.
You right, it is worst, as those Galaxies were long dead and it took many blasts from both characters just to do this. Umar, Odin, etc. are durable enough to withstand the blast. But getting hit from Hulk directly is a different story. Remember, I'm not arguing that WBH beats Odin or anyone here without touching them. But through directly hitting them and being able to withstand their power.
Lastly, you are again failing to realize that you are arguing Odin at his best. Don't we use average characters here? If so then how is Odin disintegrating any herald level being for an average?
But understand this, even if you can prove he can disintegrate just one then you still got a long way to go. Now try hundreds or thousands at one single time. Then if you prove that then you still are a very very very long way to go. As you have to prove Odin's capable of more than a billion times that with a single blast (since Hulk generated that without touching them).
Right after Odin shot a blast. Just like the narration talked about the shockwaves across the multiverse with the first shot.
Odin only fired two shots the entire battle. One at the start, a continuous one there. Seth fired 3. Even if you're talking about the entire battle, that's 5 blasts that sent shockwaves across the multiverse (actually, confirmed 2 for this one), and 5 for shattered galaxies. Compared to the two shots it took for Hulk and Rshulk to destroy a planet.
But alas, it was only one.
And the shots that destroyed galaxies were all indirect shots that hit Seth/Odin. That's a little better than indirectly destroying a planet.
Odin's never disintegrated any character ever. Must mean he can't disintegrate humans.
It's a complete non point. I don't recall many herald level beings that Galactus has disintegrated either. Can't destroy a Mindless One either. LT couldn't even disintegrate the people surrounding Thanos when he had the HOTU, and there were herald level beings there. Can't disintegrate a Mindless One.
And Odin has virtually no low feats except against Celestials who typically deal in universal levels. You know who does though? Mindless Ones.
Hell, all of Odin's feats are either him easily beating a herald level being, or beating down a Skyfather level being.
An attack that destroys thousands of Mindless Ones fails to damage Umar. Odin temp KO'ed a non hungry Galactus (who's way more durable than Umar). Therefore Odin can't disintegrate one single Mindless One because disintegration bro.
So, basically you're saying Hulk is hundreds of thousands of times more powerful than Odin.
On another note, a severely amped WB Hulk stomped on Foom an issue later and caused no damage to the planet. Because we like to nitpick details.
quadrillions of times stronger, yep just like your assumption that superman was 1000 times stronger then thor. Yup just like your assumption that PG thor is and I quote EXACTLY "2 times" stronger then regular thor. where do you get theses numbers man?
Comics don't always show the entire fight. That's what we have narration for. "Though the battle appears to be a simple slugfest, it is simultaneously waged on every plane of existence! Long-dead galaxies are shattered! Distant dying suns are reignited!" The fight was ongoing. You interpretation isn't sound. It goes against common sense and the narration.
Odin can disintegrate a human. One shotting a herald with a blast proves it. So if Odin can't disintegrate anyone (so you claimed) then why argue he can disintegrate a mindless one?
Odin has several low and multiple average showings. Him against Thanos, one shotting Surfer (which is a kinda high showing or low showing for Surfer), him against Mangog (we resembled a powerless old man on a horse) where everyone was jobbing their arse off, Thor whamming him in the face with Mjolnir, etc.
Galactus has disintegrated a herald before. Hercules is one of them (although it could be argued a matter manipulation). Why can't Hulk do something Odin can't do? Because his name is Hulk? You take away the writer's power because of what you want. Come on now. Disintegrating herald beings without touching them is beyond any average feat by any skyfather.
The reason the attack didn't kill Umar is because she is far beyond a herald level being. Odin would have survived as well. I'm not arguing that at all. You keep bringing it up like it's relevant. Again, Odin, KT, RTK, etc. would have survived the blast as well. But not so much Hulk putting his hands on them.
Odin koing Galactus doesn't mean anything when in the same arc Thor nearly did the same thing. What does that mean? Galactus durability wasn't at its best.
Other herald level beings have damaged or hurt Galactus in the past. Many character have feats above Galactus low or average ones. What does that mean? It means that you can't equate a character's highest showing with any other showing when it contradicts what happened (Thor bashing Galactus head in).
Also blunt force hits are not the same as energy projection. All skyfathers and beyond are highly immune to energy, even Thor. In comics, we can see a character tanking hella energy but getting their head bashed in with a blunt hit. Hardly anyone is immune to the all powerful blunt hit on average.
WBH didn't disintegrate Foom either. What does that mean? WBH didn't apply the same force he did when him and Betty collided. It's simple really.
Again you have to show that Odin (average) is capable of power outputting a billion times more than enough to disintegrate thousands of mindless ones with a single blast. Do you understand?
Again you bring this up. And again I can't help but laugh because you think being hurt by a full on ram from Mjolnir is somehow an automatic low showing.
I debunked that feat a long time ago. The hammer's magic was released upon collision with each other. It took both to do that as it was a magical thing. If Thor would have hit an adamantium wall with that same strike then absolutely nothing would have happened (Nothing!). But again ignore all the other times G was hurt or damaged. Remember he's a jobber too
Proof most of the battle happened off panel?
Proof it being waged on more planes of existence means more attacks?
So why doesn't one shotting Skyfather characters prove he can disintegrate heralds.
Also, I'm not arguing that he can disintegrate anything. I'm saying it's ****ing stupid as shit to ask if he can when he has feats far beyond that level. On panel Odin doesn't "disintegrate" people. The guy one shotted Infinity who was palming planets and destroying them.
The Thanos fight isn't a low showing. Thanos has been KO'ed twice in comics. Once when the Cube was smashed, and once by a Cube Being. He's withstood Galactus, Omega, the IG without being KO'ed.
One shotting Surfer isn't a low showing either... Galactus has one shotted Surfer like 7 times. Guess Galactus can't disintegrate a Mindless One.
He lost once to Mangog. And he utterly beat him like 3 times. What a low showing. Lose to a Skyfather being... You might as well bring up him losing to Surtur when he had Twilight and the Casket of Winters while you're at it.
You realize you just used Odin beating the shit out of Thanos, and one shotting Surfer as low showings? Do you even think about your posts?
Him effortlessly beating people aren't low showings. Him losing to Skyfather levels beings who he has a huge win percentage over aren't low showings.
Galactus disintegrating Hercules is non canon.
I never said Hulk can't have better feats. But destroying canon fodder and a planet against a guy who destroys galaxies is not in any way a better feat.
Umar is relevant because she was hit by the same attack the Mindless Ones were hit with, and she was completely undamaged. Umar is less durable than people Odin has damaged, killed, or knocked out. And she survived unscathed.
IE, if Odin can damage Umar, then he can repeat the same thing Hulk AND Red She Hulk did.
It's not about Odin being damaged by Hulk's attack, it's about what Hulk's attack failed to do against someone Odin can easily hurt.
Thor didn't just about KO Galactus. Galactus was completely engaged in a TP battle with Odin at the time and Thor almost knocked himself out while Galactus didn't miss a single beat in his TP battle with Odin. He actually started to overwhelm Odin pretty much immediately after.
Thor is the only herald character who has ever damaged a fed Galactus, and it took Galactus being completely distracted, Thor almost KO'ing himself, and it ultimately doing absolutely no lasting damage to do it.
Surfer's failed to damage a hungry Galactus. Bill only managed to cause a minuscule crack in Galactus' armor when he was hungry. So who, what herald level being has damaged a fed Galactus?
Thor isn't immune to energy blasts... what the shit are you even talking about? Most of Thor's recent low showings are from blasts... actually, almost all of them.
No one is highly immune to blasts.
WBH was hundreds of feet tall when he STOMPED on Foom trying to kill him and was severely powered up.
No I don't. No one does. Disintegration is your made up way to troll the forum.
Everyone else can clearly see that Odin has feats beyond the level displayed by WBH.
Odin has almost as many "high end" feats as he does average ones...
Let me list some feats mixed with average and high end so you can shut up, and then I'll list his losses. Doesn't include stupid shit like turning girls in goddesses and stopping people from dying.
One shotted Thor
One shotted Surfer
One punched Ulik while weakened and poisoned
Temp KO'ed Galactus
Killed Forsung in a galaxy wide fight that reignited suns
Beaten Mangog like 3 times
One shotted Serpent who broke Cap's shield
Defeated Infinity who was destroying planets across the universe and then waved his sceptre and healed ALL the damage done
Has beaten Surtur multiple times, who was seen destroying a galaxy just to forge a sword
While weakened from Odinsleep, waved his hand and sent Annihilus flying out of Asgard. Annihilus disintegrated Quasar while feeding on his energy
Waved his hand and manipulated energy that could destroy universes
Easily beat Seth as soon as he regained his power in a fight that sent shockwaves through the multiverse and was destroying galaxies.
Stalemated Seth while he was only using the energy from Asgard when he gave the Odinpower to Thor
Absorbed his power back from Zelia when she was using his Odinpower, and was merged with every Dark God
Killed Hela and revived her
Depowers Thor, Loki, and Sif
Walked through Hela trying to kill him and stopped her with one hand
Beats Thor's WM psychic form, something the entire Infinity Watch, Dr Strange and Thanos couldn't do
Absorbed a beaten Surtur
Stopped time and defeated the Destroyer armor
Got embarrassed by Arishem
Lost to Surtur drawing on the Eternal Flame, with Twilight and the Casket of Winters
Lost to Zelia who is supposed to be equal to him, while she had the entire Dark Gods with her.
Lost to Mangog once.
Kamikazed himself against Surtur about 3 times.
BUT HOW IS HE TO DISINTEGRATE ONE MINDLESS ONE?!?!?
Also, why are you talking about averages when this is an exact quote by you:
Seriously, you're the most blatant troll on the forum
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