Piccolo blew up the moon as well and his power level wasn't far off from Roshis.
Lol at over estimating. There comes a time when something can only be beaten across your head until you realize it's the truth. King ki said Frieza was a universal threat. Piccolo said it. Goku said it. King Ki said it again. Akira made it known that Frieza was UNIVERSAL. Blowing up planets doesn't put you in that weight class because people like Thanos would never be consider Universal, no matter how well he did against a planet.
And Goku seemed to believe that Vegeta power was enough to shed earth. Don't understand why DBZ gets low balled so much.
That ain't close to being similar to the things that is stated in DBZ. These guys can read power output. If they say something is going to blow up Earth then the Z fighters better do something to prevent it from happening. Do you believe Kid Buu first blast was powerful enough to destroy earth?
Lol...are you really comparing Marvel and DC characters to DBZ? Characters that knows how to read the energy signature from another character. Are you crazy or something. A DBZ character can look at a person and tell the amount of power they have, if they are more powerful than them, and if they are decreasing or increasing their power level. Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that if they can detect all of this just by standing beside you, they CANT detect if a blast have the power to lay waste to a planet. Like I've asked before...are you crazy or something?
If a guy in Marvel and DC have the ability to sense how much a character can dish out power wise, I sure as hell will believe whatever he say about that character output. If you going to deny one statement from DBZ, then you need to deny them all. Don't pick and choose which statement to use.
Lol...what reason did they have to blow up the moon again? Hell, how many moons do you think circle Earth? Of course they couldn't replicate it. If it was blown up the first time, that should have been the end of it...the wish was the reason we seen it happen again. How many times were you expecting them to blow it up. Lol.
Uuummmm...Roshi power level was 135 when he blew up the moon (and it took time). Piccolo power level was 350 when he blew up the moon and be did it instantly. That's not far off. That's only a couple of hundreds. Lol. Do you now what far off mean?
And both Frieza and Vegeta knew what they were capable of as well. Don't think Frieza would claim that he would blow up something without having said power.
Lol...no one said anything about blowing up a universe but what I am telling you is, a planetary level being can not be a universal threat which tells me Frieza is so much more (especially since his first form which only used .025% of his true power destroyed planet Vegeta with his finger). Get over it.
Except there are different levels of reliability in regards to claims
A guy who's formed from the cells of two arrogant braggarts who overestimate themselves (Vegeta believing Cell in his perfect form would make no difference when he was fighting Semi-Perfect Cell, Freiza bragging about how SSJ Goku couldn't win even though he was outclassed completely), not very reliable I say
Is this a joke or are you defective?
Replicating a feat of that level means he can perform a feat of a similar magnitude to moon busting. Nothing in DB of the magnitude after the 21st Bodoukai happens again until the Saiyan Saga
Considering city busting attacks were able to drain Piccolo Diamao considerably during the King Piccolo arc and Piccolo Jr used alot of energy after performing an island razer
Based on what did Roshi's feat take "time"?. Unless you mean a few seconds or so then, sure
Other than, you know, overestimating themselves and being braggarts, again
You brought up the Frieza being a universal threat thing. Trying to save face now, are you?
You cannot quantify the difference between said levels. You cannot say he's anything above planet busting
*snicker* Yeah, next thing you'll tell me is Raditz is FTL because Piccolo said he was from dodging his Special Beam Cannon amirite?
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They can say what will destroy the planet as they have faces power that has demonstrated to destroy one, Freeza. So tell me, how can they read power and state as a known fact that the power is at a level where it will destroy something they have no idea the force needed to destroy it? Or is it that you can prove they can 100% measure the exact force needed to destroy something they have never seen destroyed before?
More to the point no one has ever said a character, even the villains, has the potency to wipe out anything larder than a planet. It just hasn't happened. The single claim came from the most arrogant character in the series.
And another question. In a post above you said its confirmed that Freeza is a universal level threat. Obviously misunderstanding what it means to be a threat.. but it also appears you believe that Pre-Cell games Gohan is star level, whish isn't far from solar system level?
What do we have then? Freeza is a universal level threat, young Gohan is star level, Cell who is dad above either if them is apparently only barely stronger than young Gohan, and Buu is only planetary to star level? Well that makes a troth full of sense.
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You're nitpicking. Vegeta boasting about him believing he can beat Cell with his new found power is different than someone that states "if this blast touch earth it will destroy it". Of course Vegeta will not believe in himself as a loser, he's a freaking Prince but at the same time, he knows what he is capable of. You're not good at this. Again, them stating that they THINK they can win doesn't help your argument since the people you are naming is full of pride. That has nothing to do with the destructive force of their blast or power output. We are clearly getting a definition from Akira on the power output of a character through the characters statement. Like I've stated before, if you can't accept one comment then you need to decline them all. Simple.
How is it a joke when Roshi or any other character in DB wasnt given the opportunity to replicate said ft. Get off the hater horse.
Which means that the power output King Piccolo with said blast is>>>> Roshi blast. This doesn't include the fact that during the time he destroyed the city, he wasn't complete. Also, you are contradicting yourself. You brought up Marvel and DC characters and you want to bring up consistency. Are you crazy or something? Do you consider Thanos as a planet buster because he only destroyed one once and he has never did so again and that was during the beginning of his career. He has never displayed power output similar to a nuke but, hey, collateral damage is the way to go. Do I honestly need to name characters that has displayed something once in their entire career? Piccolo was close enough to Roshi in power when he destroyed the moon CASUALLY that it gives us an indication that the Roshi ft belongs to the character and is an accurate one. You trying to use outside sources to help your lame argument doesn't hold here. How about this...
World Breaker Hulk and She Rulk punched each other in the face so hard that they destroyed a planet along with melting a bunch of super humans with the shock wave of their blow.
We have the same Hulk but AMPED. ..fighting the same person that he punched in the face and they are fighting on Earth. They were amped to the point that they were the size of skyscraper buildings. And they didnt just throw one punch like they did when a planet was destroyed (with a single hit), they are actually brawling.
Everyone consider them as planet busters....including myself and looking at the first ft, he is literally above that since well, they were not on the planet when the Shockwave destroyed it. Then we have Hulk boasting that he is a world breaker.
This Hulk has appeared numerous of times but only destroyed a planet once. Remember, he was on Earth, punching, body slamming, kicking against the same person he fought before (when they destroyed the planet with the Shockwave of a single punch) and Earth WWasnt destroyed. ..hell, the area they were fighting on wasn't destroyed. Is World Breaker Hulk planetary? Yes or no. Earth wasn't destroyed during their brawl, hell, it was a Lil facility right next to them that was still intact, but everyone considers Hulk as a planetary level being. Going by the way you debate, he isn't because he didn't destroy earth WHILE AMPED during a scuffle with another powerful being. Share your thoughts.
Lol...why can't I say he is more than planetary when it was thrown in our face that he is universal? Planetary was done with a small percentage of his power. Correction...planetary was done with .025% of Frieza power (first form) and he blew up planet Vegeta easily...without expending his power and he did it with one finger. His final form was millions of times more powerful than the form that effortlessly destroyed planet Vegeta with a finger. Lol...He is far above Planetary.
Raditz reflexes is FTL since I think Piccolo most powerful attack is faster than his weaker attacks (common sense) that has went FTL.
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Why wouldn't they have an idea of the force needed to destroy something? I don't think Goku is dumb to the point that he wouldn't know that the universe let alone a solar system is far above Planetary.
Cell knows his power and him telling us the capability of said blast is different than boasting about if you can beat said character or not. Also...lol, we do have other statements about someone else's power output. Kid Buu destroyed Galaxies within a few yrs. Like I've stated before Kid Buu either went planet by planet in a few yrs which resulted in the destruction of said Galaxies which would make him trillions of times the speed of light or he destroyed said Galaxies with the power output of his blast. Choose.
I never said that was the peak of Gohan power. He was just needed to destroy the star and he succeeded. I didn't state Frieza was universal, Akira wrote that Frieza was universal by numerous of characters statements. I already posted in an argument yrs ago with you with scans on all of the statements with Frieza being universal and a planet buster isn't universal. A galaxy watcher (King Ki) even said Frieza was a universal threat) and overall, he is. Also, Cell initial blast, during the beginning of his Kamehameha had the potential of destroying a solar system...He added more power to said blast after his statement of it being solar system level.
It doesnt mean any of that since none of them stated that was the height of their power.
Would you know the exact force needed to destroy the earth? Without anyone telling you the force needed or ever seeing anything on that level? Then again the layout of your example suggests they're just guessing. That all they know is that the attack is above earth level destruction. Now how great is the difference between earth and sun busting? A billion times the force.. But in your head they both know they exact specific level of force needed, but can accurately sense this level of force without ever knowing how much ki is required.. because guessing right?
Riight, because the man with the arrogance of both Vegeta and Freeza, characters who are known for claiming their victory on obvious losses.. this guy won't exaggerate right? Yep, most honest gut I know. Cell for president.
Face it, Cell was the only one to say anything above planetary and has nothing to know just what he can destroy.
Threats mean shit in terms of raw power, especially if influence is a known thing. For instance if Obama went rogue he would be a planetary threat, at least to all the inhabitants. Threat just means threat to all in it, not that an Obamamaha is going to wipe us out. Do you know what happens to planets in a solar system when the star is destroyed?
Cool, so Freeza is a greater threat than Cell, and young Gohan has equal destruction to him. Because logic.
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The answer to your question is, if it was possible to replace me and Akira as the writer of DBZ and I had my character tell us the capabilities of said blast, then that is exactly was said blast is capable of. You keep calling the characters a lie when it's Akira that is giving us the description of their power levels/capabilities. Simple.
Again, Vegeta was arrogant on who he thought he could beat but this doesn't have a thing to do with power levels.
Lol...Obama laws has to be judged by Congress. He doesn't have complete power. Like I've stated. Being a planetary level threat doesn't make you Universal. Don't get what is so hard to comprehend.
Okay so we can completely ignore every and all characteristics and personality traits that have been consistent.. Just throw them out the window and take every word as fact just because it was written? Hurcule must be a beast to you :l Simple question I would appreciate an answer to; How would they know the exact, specific force needed without any prior knowledge?
Vegeta and Perfect Cell, Freeza and Goku, Vegata and Buu at the start, vegata and Freeza.. Arrogance to overhype themselves.
Child it was an example, not a 100% similar case :l Given that that example fails to sit in your head: is the middle-east a threat to America? If so, what weapon do they have they can destroy the continent?
There isn't one, and that because there's so many different ways to be a threat to an area with having explosive potential to wipe it out. Don't forget that Freeza was a space pirate tyrant who at the time was the only being strong enough to blow up planets who was also traveling the universe in his property management business...
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Not ignore but at the same time, not nitpicking as well. Their arrogance never had anything to do with their power level. It was more in play with them not believing they couldnt beat someone. Vegeta saying that his blast is powerful enough to shed a planet is different than Vegeta telling a more powerful character "I'm going to destroy you". Same with Perfect Cell...remember, he has Vegeta blood in him but at the same time, he knows the capabilities of his blasts.
Again, being a planet buster wouldn't even make you a threat to a Galaxy. Frieza using the tiniest fraction of his power was able to destroy planets with the tip of his finger without exerting himself. If you truly believe that Frieza didn't gain an exponentially amount of power during his last transformation compared to his first form, then you are smoking something. Final form Frieza could wave his hand and destroy his first form Planet busting blast (you know, the one first form didn't exert himself to do). Like I've stated...Cried a being universal doesn't limit him to planet busting...Especially since he was doing that with less than .025% of his power. What is so hard to grasp?
....Carv, staying you can honestly defeat someone who could crush you is hyperbole, overestimating yourself. In the same way samtating you can do something you can't is.
Simple question I would appreciate an answer to; How would they know the exact, specific force needed without any prior knowledge?
Way to ignorantly skip my example to utter in your nonsense. It a a fact that a threat is anything that.. how do I say this.. threatens something.
-Was blackbeard and other notorious pirate a threat to the seas? Yes? What was his DC? Wall level with his ship.
-Was Hitler a threat to the world? Yes. What was his DC? Certainly not continental.
A human can be a threat to the planet with at most nukes. Do you fail to grasp what a threat is?
Hah, PL scaling again?
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It isn't the same...at all. You are using people pride to help your argument when that isn't the case. If someone asked me if I could beat you in a fight, I would most definitely say I could but if someone asked me if I could bust a building open with my fist, I sure as hell wouldn't say I could because I know my capabilities.
How would they know the exact force? Ask Akira since he is the one that is writing them saying this. Does Akira know the amount of power it'll take to destroy something...I think he does. I don't think Akira had these people saying these things while thinking "wait, I wonder if this character knows what he is talking about since he doesn't have a PHD. Get out of here with that. If you would like a more accurate answer then, Goku has flown all the way to another Galaxy to visit Namekian so he knows that space is really, really big. Cell off panel was flying through space after his destruction on snake way, he has seen space up close and personal, lets also not forget he has the mind of the Z fighters, including Gohan who is smart. And using your logic, how would he even know of the word "solar system"? Who did he learn it from? How does he know the solar system is bigger than earth? Same for Goku. For all they know, solar system could be a device in the kitchen. Like I've stated...you are looking to far into this. How would Goku even know if something is capable of destroying a planet. The only time he witnessed a planet being destroyed was during the time Buu did it. This goes for Vegeta as well. Goku was shocked when he heard Supreme Ki talking about Buu destroying a Galaxy. How in the hell does Goku know about a Galaxy and why was he surprised? Why be shocked at something you have no clue about? A Galaxy could have been someone's name. Probably someone he met as a child. Who knows because Goku doesn't know physics. This is retarded and nitpicking. The worst case of nitpicking i have seen on the forum.
So a planet buster is a universal threat?
Also ... , Frieza became millions of times more powerful but he was still only capable of dishing out the same amount of force his first form threw out? You are hilarious.
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Akira either wrote these people giving us a description of these characters power levels or he turned everyone in DBZ into some compulsive liars. How would old Ki know anything about a universe? He sure had these people using these words loosely.
Except you're capabilities are based on an unknown. You don't know how strong I am, or if I'm not at my final level. You're simply guessing at your own power, assuming you could defeat an opponent you would be curbed by. Both scenarios are characters believing that can do something.
And there we have it ladies and gentlemen,, admittance that the characters in fact do not know the force needed to destroy something they've never seen destroyed.
Just to tidy up the rest;
No, Goku teleported, no travel involved.
No, Cell was just in space, then teleported.
Yes they can know what a solar system is. We knew about it since 1600, while DBs earth level technology is at least 1980. If Gohan picks up a book he'd know what it is. As would any schooled 7 year old.
Lol Goku knows Freeza can, so stronger blasts than the death ball can. Logic.
Well that was incredibly simple
Carv, just because you're unable to understand the concept of a threat outside of 'all threats mean raw power!' doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do you know how a pirate works?
Didn't say same power, just said PL scaling is dreadful.
And oh wow, that's your extra evidence? Answer bud, what is the earth with no life? What's the universe with no planets? I'll be nice and answer; nothing. Buu, like in the past, would destroy every planet in the universe unttil there was nothing left. Not in a single blast, just eventually.
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Vegeta didn't know how powerful Cell was either or whoever else he was fighting during the time he reminiscing because they were able to hide their power levels.
Lol...guessing at my own power? This has nothing to do with power. This have more to do with me trusting my abilities. I know what I am capable of along with Vegeta and Cell. I wouldn't say anyone is stronger than me until I tested it for myself. This is different though since we are talking about characters that can hide their true level of power. Basically fool you into expecting you can beat them when overall, you cant. As for Cell boasting about beating etc...well, he was quite powerful and he didn't have the abilities the Z fighters had. He wasn't able to detect if a person was more powerful than him or not. So why not think his perfect power is above the person he is fighting?
I didn't admit anything. You are the one that is claiming that we need to ignore statements from Supreme Ki, Piccolo, old Ki, Vegeta, Cell, Tien, Krillin, Goku, master Roshi, Babidi, Kami, Mr. Popo, Frieza, Nappa, Raditz, Grand Ki, Trunks (never saw him go to school), Gotenks, Yamcha, all of the Namekian 's...the Ginyu force...have I missed anyone that have not shown on panel picking up a book. So that leaves Gohan. The only person we can trust with physics is him since, well, he is the only person we have seen on panel with any type of schooling. The rest of them scream out solar system, universes, and planets but does not know the size of width of these places. Hell, how do they even know what a solar system and Galaxy is? Where did they get the word from? That was Akira plan the entire time. You're so smart blood rain. Lol.
Lol...Goku didn't know about instant transmission during his journey to planet Namek when he trained in a ship under 100 times earth gravity. So you're wrong.
I agree With Cell being in space then teleported. Since he never picked up a book or actually seen out of space, I'm pretty sure he thought he was on a planet...a dark planet. Don't you agree? Ism still trying to figure out how he knows about a solar system when no one has said the word around him and he never picked up a book during his small life.
How does Goku know Frieza can? He never witnessed it and even before Frieza attempted to destroy planet Namek he was bringing up Frieza being capable of destroying planets. How Would Goku know this? How would he even know about the word planet? He never picked up a book. Why would he say planets instead of a building...something he is familiar with?
How in the hell can one being destroy every planet in the UNIVERSE one at a time? Is that even possible? How is he going to detect these said planets? Even in Buu's lifetime that is impossible.
Answer this for me. It was stated on panel that Buu destroyed world's and Galaxies in a few yrs. How did he achieve this? If he used flight and blast, then that means that he is millions of times faster than light if he went planet by planet in a few yrs. Explain this to me.
So every time a character in fiction has said 'i will destroy you' to an opponent far past their own grasp, even those that truly believe it?
(also maybe I'm just bored, but not sure where that vegeta/cell thing came from)
Your first sentance summed up as 'how can they know? They don't, the writer just said it' which is again, hyperbole.
Wow, nice list. Though this begs the question sparky; how many of them said "Destroy the solar system/galaxy/universe" in relation to a single attack?
Let's see.. the most arrogant character in the series and.. Hm. Well dang, there's no one else now is there? Freeza was only called a threat, and while yours going to mount the Kai saying the universe was in danger from Buu, we also have him stating that Buu didn't do such a thing given the chance.
So that's only Cell.. who also knows the name of 'solar system', but proof of destruction levels? Not proven.
Oh you meant Goku in the spacecraft. Sure he knows space is large.. so does a child. Don't forget this is an uneducated man outside of practical means. Cell knows because that's his deal, with Cells. Heck Freeza could know the name, it's just a name. None of this even suggests they know the required power needed. At all.
If you're talking about Freeza? It's not destroy, its conquest. And he has minions to extend his reach across the cosmos. If you mean Buu, now that ones easy for a timeless being. Immortals care little for how long something takes.
That's because.. heyy, almost had me there you sneaky weasel. Don't think I didn't notice you completely ignore my question.
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So a planet buster is a universal threat? 
