Negative... you said you don't KNOW it will work since you haven't seen it in the Star Wars universe. Thus, you don't know it will work.. you'll only GUESSING it will work. So don't act like you know something not in evidence. So again though, if it doesn't work and it can be blocked... So you would then admit Khan has no chance right?
Did you just say Khan is faster than Anakin... WTF... Based on WHAT is he faster than Anakin. Anakin is vastly superior speed wise to Khan... which brings me to my next point... Since Anakin is clearly faster... how does Khan even get off one shot before he's ragdoll'd or force choked into submission? We know for a fact Anakin is faster.. so how does he even get off a shot... further.. how do you figure Anakin couldn't dodge one shot.. as that is all he could even get off (more likely can't get off one) even if he does.. that one shot is all he'll get before being thrown around like a weak feeb.
Lastly, how do you figure he's stronger than Anakin.. you do realize Anakin as a cybernectic arm... that alone makes him stronger in one arm.. and more than likely he's stronger in general being that he can amp his stats with the force.
I said I know it will work based off the evidence. Is there any proof a tiny Lightsaber can deflect generation one Megatron's fusion cannon ? Nah, but common sense tells us just because Anakin can deflect a tiny,weak laser blast from the Star Wars universe doesn't mean he can deflect any bigger and more powerful blast with absolutely no evidence to support such a stance.
Khan obliterates him based off the evidence I already supplied. His force choking takes too long and he never used it one time against a skilled opponent while in mid battle. Instead he used it on his wife and people who had no way of countering the tactic. Evidence. It also takes an awfully considerable amount of time against someone incredibly skilled with weapons.
Anakin has been taken prisoner by slower foes. Khan's weapon is faster than Anakin. He's also smarter, less emotional during battle, and stronger. One arm is cybernetic not both of them. Khan is vastly stronger since the cybernetic arm offered no real advantage in combat against Obi.
Post any evidence of Vader immediately tk rag dolling anyone around all over the place without them able to do anything. Please post him doing so against a skilled or powerful opponent as well not his wife or some other high ranking non warrior not even in the same room.
We are back here again... Okay since you KNOW it will work.. then post the proof that it will Surely since you know for a fact it will.. there must be proof of it.. so post it.
He's not faster than Anakin... not even close to as fast... Post the proof that Khan is faster than Anakin
Next, show me Khan firing this weapon against somebody as skilled and as fast as a Jedi WITH PRE COG.. Show me Khan firing it one v one against somebody like Anakin... If not, then stop asking me to do the same thing.
We know Anakin can force choke... We know he can Ragdoll... We all know he's FAR faster than Khan both in speed and reflexes... Thus, he'll be able to choke or ragdoll him as soon as the fight starts. Even if he waits... he can dodge one blast and then quickly force choke him... or just close the distance and strike him down with utter ease.
What feats of TP resistance does Khan have? Please post the feats of his resisting TP... If not, Anakin can do the old "These aren't the droids we're looking for" move and Khan shots himself
That isn't how debating works. I just told you why and you repeat yourself in similar fashion. All you do is demand someone else proves something from thread to thread without ever proving anything yourself. I posted evidence you haven't.
This isn't a race. Khan's guns are faster than Anakin.
Pay attention to what I say, repeater.
I have already thoroughly decimated the precog argument.
I will quote it for you with evidence to destroy this precog argument.
Vader doesn't tk anyone with powers or a way to attack back. They all take a considerable amount of time to kill by choking as well.
It takes him around 9 or so seconds to even choke out his own wife. Provide proof he can take any skilled warrior out while in combat with this tactic.
1. You said you KNOW IT WILL WORK... I asked for proof of it working and you came back with.. well I think it will work.. THAT ISN'T proof. Either you know it will or you think it will.. which is it?
2. I asked for proof that Khan is faster.. got none.. I asked for proof Khan was stronger and you posted NONE.
SO there again is this posting proof of what I ask again? You may have with others but not me.
3. I asked for proof of Khan TP resistance and you posted none... So I'm still waiting on that as well... DOES KHAN have ANY TP feats of resistance?
You continue to repeat yourself in chimpish fashion.
1. There is no evidence to suggest he can deflect anything as wide and as powerful as khans über gun. There is also no evidence to suggest an atomic bomb can kill him since it hasn't occurred but I would say it would work. I have evidence supporting my claims you have nothing but poor paragraphing.
2. I said his laser gun is faster than Vader. It is. You don't comprehend do you ?
33 seconds in Khan crushes a skull. Now your turn for some evidence.
3. Tp resistance ? Wtf are you even talking about ? It is telekinesis not telepathy. I posted a clip showing Vader choking out his wife and older non warrior types over the span of many seconds. Khan fires his gun and kills Vader if he tries such a weak tactic. /thread
1. You haven't proved ANY evidence saying why it would work other than it's bigger than standard lasers... THAT IS PROOF THAT IT WILL WORK. Still waiting on that
2. What was impressive about that... You do understand how the force works right... When dooku was effortlessly throwing objects around at Yoda... Kenobi and Anakin... he's using the force to augment his strength and power to be able to move objects of extreme weight. We see this will Palps throwing Pods... Emperor and Yoda are both old.. and Yoda diminutive size... Yet he's lifting ships and throwing objects like they are nothing. Anakin is the chosen one.. His count is higher than ANY known Jedi ever... This means with proper focus he could and would be just as stronger if not stronger than what we've seen others do. Shit even locking up sabers with Dooku.. With the amount of pressure and force Dooku can exert on objects or anything.. Anakin resisting his saber lock and holding his own is vastly more impressive than crushing a skull. All the objects we see thrown around by mere weaklings shows how much the force can augment your strength.
3. Being that I doubt you've watched any of the movies this doesn't surprise me one bit. The Jedi also have TP.. as we've seen Kenobi perform it... so has Yoda... So has Dooku in the clone wars... You don't remember the famous line "These aren't the droids we're looking for" That was TP and mind control. Anakin can instantly mind control Khan... unless you have proof Khan can resist it. now post the TP resistance feats for Khan.
1. You continue to repeat yourself without ever addressing anything I say.
Me: here is how debating works and evidence
You: you need to prove it while I sit back and continue to be mentally challenged.
2. Crushing a skull is more impressive than anything Vader has done pre suit strength wise.
You need to supply a greater strength feat. If you do not you concede the strength advantage to Khan. Using tk isn't strength it's tk you idiot. Anakin's strength failed to even strangle Obi one due to him being entirely weak and pathetic.
1:08--1:17 ish we see Obi overcome his weak strength.
Now this isn't impressive. Failing to choke out someone with average strength isn't impressive. Crushing someone's skull is super human. Evidence is my sword.
Dooku using tk while using his saber are two totally different things. It isn't strength and he uses tk in slow drawn south fashion against objects while being unable to overpower tiny Yoda. The guy needs cane for his gait.
3. They can only perform Jedi mind tricks on the weak. Khan is both mentally superior and not weak at all. Quit avoiding this flat out stated fact about their Jedi mind tricks. They don't work on people like Jango, etc.
You're awful at this and flat out leave out the context, Abhilegend.
Khan wins based off the evidence. You have provoked none save a lot of worthless, repetitive paragraphs.
I have given multiple links for evidence. Saying the Jedi see things before they happen and then wiped out by surprise attacks from order 66 is all too deliciously ironic.
Because they were betrayed and ambushed. Context is your friend. Pre-Cog warns then a second before the attack, it doesn't give them a vision 5 minutes prior. On that note the only reason the Jedi Council couldn't forsee the whole thing was because Sidious wad using the dark side to cloud their vision of the future. We know you only like watching the pretty fights, but at least TRY to follow the story as well.
Oh and Order 66 failed to kill the Elite Jedi. But you just carry on trolling
They couldn't see his identity that doesn't mean they couldn't use precog to instinctively react in battle. Quit misrepresenting the words to serve your agenda.
We see 36-38 in after Palpatine flat out tells Yoda he is going to attack Yoda being taken out in an attack that takes two seconds thus eradicating your awful theory. Best part is he tells Yoda before he does so. Yoda like the Jedi get hit off guard all the time. In this scene it's worse than human reaction time after being threatened.
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So we are back to lowballing now. Not surprised in the least. Quan will troll around, ragequit, and then come back and restart the whole cycle anew. Only way to preserve his glorious post count
There is no such thing as low balling. I am posting factual events. You running from them is what is telling. You don't get to ignore the films out of bias and a hatred of me. Don't you have an ass to wipe or something.
Clownshoes... There is a reason nobody agrees with you in this thread and in most threads... because you're usually wrong and have the mental capacity of an infant. Why do you think people constantly make fun of you and your debating skills? You can't honestly believe you're actually good at debating... lols
You have PROVIDED NO EVIDENCE THAT I ASK FOR. You said you KNOW a saber won't block the uber gun... Okay post the proof that leads you to this conclusion. This is about the 10th time I've asked and not ONCE have you provided proof. You saying the blast is bigger isn't proof it can't be blocked. Even a retard like yourself should know this. Now, post the proof it can't be blocked or concede the point.
You LITERALLY have NO CLUE on how things work in star wars... Why do you think when Luke was trying to move the x wing ship he was OUT OF BREATH ? This is shown numerous times in the movies when moving big objects. The reason is because it's taxing them physically. The force allows them to jump significantly higher than Khan... thus augmenting their PHYSICAL ABILITIES... Then can run faster... because of the force AMPING THEM PHYSICALLY. So you're saying the force can make them faster than Khan... jump higher than Quan.. Lift objects greater than anything Khan can lift... yet Khan is stronger? DO you intentionally try and act like a moron or does it come naturally?
I want to see Khan's TP RESISTANCE FEATS.. I don't need you meandering about how Khan has a sharp mind and thus it won't work... THAT ISN'T PROOF IT WON"T WORK YOU IMBECILE. NO post his TP feats or Anakin just simply TP's him to killing himself.
Debate me in a battlezone then with judges. I get into people's heads and they don't like me. It has nothing to do with my competency as a debater.
Again I answered this with evidence. He has never blocked anything as wide and as powerful as the über gun. Up to you to prove he can. It's like saying the Death Star can't kill him because he blocks droid fire. Learn how to debate.
They use tk to lift the objects which is a power not physical strength. We don't see any of the Jedi lift this with their muscles. Muscles have to do with strength not telekinesis. You're a dope.
Khan breaks a skull. Provide a superior feat which has to do with muscle strength. I also provided a clip of Obi breaking a weak stranglehold.
The tactic is stated to not work on those mentally strong. He fits the bill. Jedi don't exist in his verse but he is mentally strong which the Jedi admit it won't work on them.
So Yoda didn't use Pre-Cog when he dodged the Clone Troopers sneaking up to him from behind to shoot him? When Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are blocking multiple blaster fire, how are they doing that without Pre-Cog? How are they to know when and where the next shot is coming without Pre-cog? How does novice (not even youngling level) Luke defend against droid shots with a blast shield covering his eyes if he has no Pre-Cog? How does 10 year old Anakin have better reflexes than any non-Jedi human without Pre-Cog?
Go watch AOTC, Mace clearly says to Yoda "Our ability to use the force has diminshed," and Yoda says "Only the Dark Lord of the Sith knows of our weakness." That's because Sidious diminshed the power of the Light side. Of course that will effect the Pre-Cog and other abilities, especially when your talking about lesser Jedi being betrayed and ambushed.
But this is Anakin Skywalker we're talking about here, and he is no ordinary Jedi. In fact we're talking about Pre-Suit Vader so his powers won't be diminshed at all since he uses the Dark Side anyway
Oh Yoda gets attacked by Sidious? The guy who dimisnhed the Light side of the Force for all the Jedi? That's kind of how Yoda would deal with Khan, in one second, just like he did to the Emperor's special guards.
You've lost this Quanchi. Khan has nothing on the Elite Jedi/Sith. Absolutely nothing. He won't even get one shot in before he's being choked out. Just like Dooku did to Kenobi. And just like Yoda does here to Ventress at 0:51-
That will be Khan when he goes up agianst Anakin Skywalker. Actually Skywalker won't waste his time choking, levitating, freezing. He'll just jump straight at Khan and chop him up
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I never once said they don't have precog but it isn't as reliable as you claimed. Your own words were that it gave them a sneak peak of 1-2 second head start yet just proved you wrong with factual evidence. Your theory isn't a theory and is easily disproven.
Yoda used his knowledge of something being wrong and his good sense of judgment and acted before they did. Simple. There is no factual proof of precog at all in that scene and based off the evidence its ridiculous to say precog there when watching the entire scene.
I also never said precog didn't exist. Never. So quit putting words into my mouth and crying about me factually disproving your ridiculous theory.
That is hyperbole and is open to interpretation. Not once does he say this diminishes our precog. It doesn't and there has never been anything other than a fanboys wet dream about it affecting their precog. Look at the inferior Obi defeat the more powerful Vader as proof it didn't diminish anything combat related.
I agree his powers aren't diminished and am glad to hear you openly admit it. Here comes so more evidence of precog failing against a fully empowered Vader.
Don't try it. This is Obi pleading with him not to jump. Anakin jumps and loses limbs. Precog, dude.
Cat got your tongue ? Evidence always sees the light of day.
Palpatine took over five seconds and even announced I'm going to attack you. A human could have reacted with seconds to spare and instead Yoda stood there and the hand raise and blast itself took around 2 seconds. Awful showing.
Yoda Cheapshotted the featless guards right next to a wall. Now you want to compare them to Khan with cellular regeneration, super strength, and a true warrior with skilled feats under his belt ? Oh how desperate you've become.
Dooku isn't Vader and Obi wasn't choked out before he could get attacks in. Oh look evidence again. You're a liar.
55 seconds in the fight begins and Obi gets plenty of attacks in before he is force choked at the proper moment. Over thirty seconds later before he do so. Its funny how I hear that isn't Vader but you switch stance mid post and lie about Dooku claiming a feat for Vader. Vader is the guy he knocks back while force choking his friend mid battle.
LOL Your such a troll. You clearly see the look on his face before the Clones try to shoot him. You clearly see him "seeing without even seeing them." It was clearly Pre-Cog.
But keep trolling.
So it does exist now? So Khan who has no Pre-Cog obviously stands no chance. Great
It was nothing to do with power. He was emotionally screwed up which is why he made a tactically stupid move due to his arrogance. Anyone whose seen the movie knows that.
What did I agree to and when?
LOL Your loosing the plot.
LOL @ Cat having my tongue. I have so much to say to you it's not even funny. I just can't believe anyone is actually this dumb!
LOL Anakin got cut there despite his Pre-Cog Because:
1) he's fighting another Jedi. Of course Jedi can hit each other. They both have Pre-Cog! DUHHH! Anakin forsee's what Kenobi is going to do, whilst Kenobi forsees what Anakin is going to do, so it's all about whose going to be in a better position to act on their Pre-Cog! DUUUHHHHH
2) As I just pointed out he was emotionally screwed up. He had supreme arrogance at that point and was going to attempt it either way, whatever his Pre-Cog told him.
Jeez you are being super dumb. As dumb as Anakin was when he made that jump.
Anyway going down to Obi-Wan Kenobi after a 7 minute fight isn't that bad. A helluva lot Better than going down to Spock and Uhura
Again it's different when it's pre-cog vs pre-cog. Again easy to get surprised by Sidious when according to Yoda himself "The Dark Side Clouds everything. IMPOSSIBLE to see the future is.." And this was THE DARK LORD HIMSELF.
Your so dumb it's not even funny. Try understanding the story please. Khan is no Sidious LOL
LO The guards looked right at him first. There's simply nothing they could do.
HAHA I'd like to see how "cellular regeneration" will help him agianst being cut up by a Lightsaber. Remember is the same guy who got KO'd by a stun gun, and Spock. You don't think Yoda can hit him with that kind of Force with his TK?
The guy sent a Senate Pod spinning and flying towards Sidious agianst Gravity. LOL
Watch again dumbo. Obi-Wan was busy fighting droids while Dooku was fighting Anakin, then the INSTANT Obi comes back into the fight to attack Dooku, Dooku effortlessly Chokes him while battling off Anakin!
Now this is Obi-Wan Kenobi, a telekinetic so powerful he sends a physical beast like General Grievous flying 50 feet crashing against a wall disarming him. Imagine what Vader (Dooku's successor) would do against a non- telekineitc and non-force user like Khan!
Khan would just flat out die.
Dooku was fighitng 2 OF THEM DUMB ASS! Lol and he was TEASING them "I've been looking forward to this!"
But later when Kenobi comes back into the fight and Dooku takes him seriously he instantly force chokes him out while still fighting off Anakin! And this is Obi-Wan Kenobi! A telekinetic so powerful he sends a physical beast like General Grievous flying 50 feet crashing against a wall disarming him. Imagine what Vader (Dooku's successor) would do against a non- telekineitc and non-force user like Khan!
Khan would just flat out die.
HAHA Your such a loser.
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