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quanchi112
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Does affect the fear. Those same guys wouldn't be able to beat Doc Manhattan fair and square but they wouldn't fear him like they did Sauron

Due to him being an unknown to muggles. They were going to get to know him had he prevailed.

That's because Manhattan wasn't a bad guy. Throw Voldemort into the Lotr universe and people's heads would be down avoiding eye contact.

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Due to him being an unknown to muggles. They were going to get to know him had he prevailed.

That's because Manhattan wasn't a bad guy. Throw Voldemort into the Lotr universe and people's heads would be down avoiding eye contact.

Exactly. Vold is less feared due to being less known in his verse

And that's my point. You saying he was beaten fair and square really didn't affect the fact that he was wildly feared

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Exactly. Vold is less feared due to being less known in his verse

And that's my point. You saying he was beaten fair and square really didn't affect the fact that he was wildly feared

I disagree entirely. That's just scope. By your logic Vader or Palpatne would win by being feared throughout the galaxy.

He wasn't feared to the extent Voldemort was. His own men wouldn't even look him in the eye.

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I disagree entirely. That's just scope. By your logic Vader or Palpatne would win by being feared throughout the galaxy.

He wasn't feared to the extent Voldemort was. His own men wouldn't even look him in the eye.

Well no because as you pointed out earlier they were mostly viewed and politicians. They weren't outright feared like most others on this list

Same can be said for the Mandarin. Would you now say he was feared as much as Voldemort?

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Well no because as you pointed out earlier they were mostly viewed and politicians. They weren't outright feared like most others on this list

Same can be said for the Mandarin. Would you now say he was feared as much as Voldemort?

Palpatine was feared by the Rebel Alliance. Vader was feared throughout the galaxy even by his own men.

You are arguing a greater population equals more feared. I disagree.

We're Sauron's men as scared of him as Voldemort's Deatheaters were of him ?

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Palpatine was feared by the Rebel Alliance. Vader was feared throughout the galaxy even by his own men.

You are arguing a greater population equals more feared. I disagree.

We're Sauron's men as scared of him as Voldemort's Deatheaters were of him ?

Vader and Palp didn't seem to be feared by everyone as you claim. No one seemed overly fearful to me besides maybe Lando.

Well to be fair we never really see Sauron interact with his men iirc. Voldemort was mostly followed by cowards anyway so it doesn't really say much that they feared him. Wormtail for example was just as scared of Sirius Black and Lupin as he was of Vold.

Besides he would kill his own men so of course they had reason to be afraid of upsetting him. That guy in DH2 clearly was too afraid of Vold that he couldn't talk shit and get killed.

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Vader and Palp didn't seem to be feared by everyone as you claim. No one seemed overly fearful to me besides maybe Lando.

Well to be fair we never really see Sauron interact with his men iirc. Voldemort was mostly followed by cowards anyway so it doesn't really say much that they feared him. Wormtail for example was just as scared of Sirius Black and Lupin as he was of Vold.

Besides he would kill his own men so of course they had reason to be afraid of upsetting him. That guy in DH2 clearly was too afraid of Vold that he couldn't talk shit and get killed.

They were feared by more people which you argued for. Now you backpedal.

Snape was not a coward at all. No, he was far more scared of Voldemort but was a coward at heart.

That's right. Voldemort will kill you on a whim whereas we never see Sauron do so making it completely justified to fear him more.

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They were feared by more people which you argued for. Now you backpedal.

Snape was not a coward at all. No, he was far more scared of Voldemort but was a coward at heart.

That's right. Voldemort will kill you on a whim whereas we never see Sauron do so making it completely justified to fear him more.

Not at all. I said most didn't seem to fear them as they were mostly viewed as politicians/government officals.

Snape looked Vold in the eye which you claimed his people are too scared to do. Lestrange also was no too scared to do so. Nor was the amry that attacked Hogwartz at his side.

Not really. At least in my opinion. If they actually tried to defend themselves they would probably be able to do well against Vold. Not win mind you but no one in LotR Verse would even come close to Sauron's power.

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Jun 28th, 2013 03:19 PM

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Muggles would have just shot Voldemort like the chump he is....there would have been no lameass magic stick challenge there...

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Uh... actually you're right. Rowling did say guns/bullets would kill wizards the same as muggles

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Uh... actually you're right. Rowling did say guns/bullets would kill wizards the same as muggles

Should have kept some m16 in Hogwarts just in case if fishface returns....

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Should have kept some m16 in Hogwarts just in case if fishface returns....

You would think with all the Mud Bloods at Hogwartz that someone would figure out that guns could seriously help at times. Or cell phones lol

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You would think with all the Mud Bloods at Hogwartz that someone would figure out that guns could seriously help at times. Or cell phones lol

They were probably too young to buy arms so they resorted to their crappy magic stick...

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They were probably too young to buy arms so they resorted to their crappy magic stick...

No i get that but how many Mud Bloods are adults now? And even if it was just Harry's age group they would still know about guns and could tell the older people about them. "Hey Dumbledore, stop by a Walmart on your way to fight Voldemort and accio a shottie for me" laughing out loud

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It would be like this...

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You can't pinpoint an edge for Sauron though. That's why you should acknowledge Voldemort wins.

Beings of higher status in LotR fear Sauron, beings of high status like Dumbledore in HP don't fear him at all. There, that is an edge.

You're so desperate.

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Vader knows the truth but the general public does not. He's a politician.

Vader and those that work for the Empire know, yes.

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We see McGonagall saying you might as well say his name Hes going o kill you either way. We see even his own Deatheaters were scared shitless of him in Malfoy Manor. What movies were you watching ? They wouldn't even make eye contact they were scared shitless. We see Sauron enter the battlefield and start knocking people back. Sure, they are scared but they do meet him head on. His own men were never terrified of him to the extent Voldemorts own men were.

People feared Voldemort far worse than Harry initially feared the Dementors. Harry had to face Voldemort but he was scared as well.

Speak of the Devil and he shall appear? Fear was a part of it but it wasn't fear alone, it was partly not to jinx or curse yourself and have him or the Dementors appear, both which could happen. Its like comparing a mob boss to a war tyrant. One can be feared for sadistically killing those that bug him, when the other would be feared for burning your town down.

This is what my first point was about. Their baseline fear is similar and can be argued that ones above the other, its just the main difference is how far that fear spreads. Sauron held his global fear for hundreds of years. Tom held his Britain-span fear from Wizards only for 30 years, 13 of which was basically as the bogeyman myth as 99% of people 'knew' he was dead and gone.

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Not at all. I said most didn't seem to fear them as they were mostly viewed as politicians/government officals.

Snape looked Vold in the eye which you claimed his people are too scared to do. Lestrange also was no too scared to do so. Nor was the amry that attacked Hogwartz at his side.

Not really. At least in my opinion. If they actually tried to defend themselves they would probably be able to do well against Vold. Not win mind you but no one in LotR Verse would even come close to Sauron's power.

Vader was an enforcer but now you distance yourself.

Snape was scared of him and not all were scared to look him in the eye but we scare nonetheless. Voldemort killed Snape so he was actually wrong not to fear him more. Le Strange looked down often. She was scared of him.

They were scared of him. We see him kill one of their own.

A man defeated Sauron one on one. laughing out loud

There were no tricks or sabotaged maces just a victory.

Voldemort scared wizards who all had the same basic abilities. That's far more impressive.

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Beings of higher status in LotR fear Sauron, beings of high status like Dumbledore in HP don't fear him at all. There, that is an edge.

You're so desperate.

Vader and those that work for the Empire know, yes.

Dumbledore feared Voldemort. They all went nuts trying to outplan him and feared him. Heroes faced him but they still feared him. Gandalf and the heroes still defied Sauron all the same.

I'm winning.

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