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A major wrench in the works. Thing is there weren't objections at this point. Tom knew about the wands function and logically who the master would be. Nothing to say and at wandpoint nothing to do. Snape danced with the devil, deceived him and showed no fear in doing so. Even with Tom saying he's going die this second.
Him saying my Lord irrc right at the point of his awareness clearly displaying a panicked look on his face at the point of death.


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As per his character as Tom's underling. His expression and tone stayed constant whilst saying that line.


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As per his character as Tom's underling. His expression and tone stayed constant whilst saying that line.
No, he looked scared and even more terrified when he was about to die.


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Just watched it, I'd go as low a 99% consistent.


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Just watched it, I'd go as low a 99% consistent.
So you are saying he was not scared ? Lol.


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At best we can reach and say he was afraid of dying, as all mortals are. To a notable degree? Not at all.


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At best we can reach and say he was afraid of dying, as all mortals are. To a notable degree? Not at all.
So you admit he feared Voldemort since he orchestrated his death.


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He was feared through his actions. His reputation spoke for itself.

You can fear someone and still betray them. Case in point.

Difference is Voldemort was not all smoke and mirrors. Everyone held the same abilities and they all still feared him making him even more impressive.

Sauron was defeated quickly by someone who held far less powerful. People weren't giving speeches and this was a speech allowed by Voldemort. The other was an example of a battlefield type scenario. Neville still feared him but defied him.

People were afraid of Voldemort in the same manner. Like I said not comparable entirely due to the ring being in play there.

False as McGonagall clearly says speak his name Hes going to kill you either way.

When did he ever talk shit to Voldemort ? He was calling him my lord right before he attacked and had him killed.


Sauron more so

True but you made it seem like the fear made them almost immobile. clearly it did not

Same as humans right? A guy with a gun can pretty much kill you the same as another guy with a gun yet drug lords are still feared greatly by their men who could kill them at any time but don't

Voldemort was destroyed by a baby(popular belief). No one beaten by a warrior in battle could be held to a lower standard

Not at all. People stood against Vold and fought. They froze for Sauron and allowed themselves to be slaughtered

They clearly believed his name to be cursed as stated in the very 1st movie. No need to keep from saying it if you're about to die regardless. Kinda like someone having lung cancer, no need to say away from cigerettes now

We were talking about Dumbledore


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So you admit he feared Voldemort since he orchestrated his death.

I said death, not Tom. Whatever you think, Snape showed no fear in the face of Tom and his own death.


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Snape was killed and people still opposed him.


She lied for her son. She was scared to death of Voldemort.

Sauron feared Aragorn.


Huh?

And people that back stab drug lord often do so for the sake of their family. She could have easily taken harry's answer and them shouted "Thanks, he's still alive"

Means nothing here


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I said death, not Tom. Whatever you think, Snape showed no fear in the face of Tom and his own death.
You said he feared death which Tom provided. You can't have it both ways.


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Huh?

And people that back stab drug lord often do so for the sake of their family. She could have easily taken harry's answer and them shouted "Thanks, he's still alive"

Means nothing here
She was scared of Voldemort and did not agree with what he was doing but was too scared to act against him. He used her sons life as leverage to manipulate him into killing Albus.

You are wrong.


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Sauron more so

True but you made it seem like the fear made them almost immobile. clearly it did not

Same as humans right? A guy with a gun can pretty much kill you the same as another guy with a gun yet drug lords are still feared greatly by their men who could kill them at any time but don't

Voldemort was destroyed by a baby(popular belief). No one beaten by a warrior in battle could be held to a lower standard

Not at all. People stood against Vold and fought. They froze for Sauron and allowed themselves to be slaughtered

They clearly believed his name to be cursed as stated in the very 1st movie. No need to keep from saying it if you're about to die regardless. Kinda like someone having lung cancer, no need to say away from cigerettes now

We were talking about Dumbledore
Wrong.

I explained myself just nicely.

Different as they are all capable of superhuman things and on even ground. Sauron had the ring which granted him greater power than everyone else.

Due to his wife's involvement. She offered him protection.

Just like stood against Sauron and fought. The ting had power over them and they quickly got over it.

We see McGonagall tell a fellow teacher he can say the name as he is going to try to kill you either way.

People weren't scared to say Sauron.

He was fearful of Voldemort as you can plainly see the look on his face.


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You said he feared death which Tom provided. You can't have it both ways.

I said if we reach to say there was fear. Nothing was shown though.


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I said if we reach to say there was fear. Nothing was shown though.
If you want to deny the obvious don't expect me to do the same.


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Who's the one denying the very scene? Watch it and witness the lack of fear.


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She was scared of Voldemort and did not agree with what he was doing but was too scared to act against him. He used her sons life as leverage to manipulate him into killing Albus.

You are wrong.


And she acted against him which helped lead to his down fall.

Whom they feared doesn't alter anything here


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Wrong.

I explained myself just nicely.

Different as they are all capable of superhuman things and on even ground. Sauron had the ring which granted him greater power than everyone else.

Due to his wife's involvement. She offered him protection.

Just like stood against Sauron and fought. The ting had power over them and they quickly got over it.

We see McGonagall tell a fellow teacher he can say the name as he is going to try to kill you either way.

People weren't scared to say Sauron.

He was fearful of Voldemort as you can plainly see the look on his face.


Disagree. Let's move on

And i explained how you were wrong

As humans with guns are on the same level. You seem to think Vold was overly impressive cuz he kept his men in fear as a drug lord might. Not that impressive imo

People did not know that so your point is moot. Popular belief was that a baby Potter defeated the most powerful dark wizard in history. Defeated on the battlefield is much more impressive than that

Wrong watch the scene again. They just stood there. No one attacked him except that one man that cut the ring off. That's far more fear than was ever shown to Tom

Again they believed the word to be cursed as can happen in that verse. No need to fear a curse if you believe you're going to die regardless

See above

Negative. He never showed fear of Tom.


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Who's the one denying the very scene? Watch it and witness the lack of fear.
When he says my Lord again you can plainly see the fear and again at the point of death.


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And she acted against him which helped lead to his down fall.

Whom they feared doesn't alter anything here
She still feared him and did not try to stop him from threatening her own son.

She feared him. She betrayed him but greatly feared him so irrelevant.


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