What you don't seem to get is there is a very real difference between electrical discharge/projected electricity and actual lightning striking from the sky.
Even if he is blasting magic lightning or electricity, that doesn't mean it's at real deal lightning speeds.
Do you understand? You can't just say it's lightning speed when you can't prove it.
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I understand perfectly, what you're missing is the bit where we already know Ganon's lightning is full speed. We can plainly see what it's represented as in aLttP and OoT, and OoT gives us Link and Ganon playing tennis with it. For it to be slower would now require Ganon to slow it down on purpose.
You can't ignore the feat without disproving it. Because evidence supports it. You need evidence now to debunk it. Understand?
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Heck, if anything that battle hurts your argument more then helps it because the magic balls that can be reflected are clearly different from the electric attack.
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Because he charges it? It still only takes 1 frame for it to travel across the entire screen. It's not there then it is.
I don't see how this hurts my argument, either, since I didn't claim Link did deflect it in that fight. The fight where it all comes together is the one in OoT. When Link doesn't have to deflect it, it behaves like full speed lightning.
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And this is merely from me clicking start and stop. I'm undoubtedly missing some frames.
So yeah, way slower than real lightning.
Because he uses an attack that looks and acts in a similar method to Ganondorf's supposed "lightning". And that attack is completely different from the electric attack.
No, Ganon possessing Anagrams body. It isn't the same thing.
Not to me and ares. Why would there be a flash anyway? Is Ganon's hand just flashing? There isn't a flash whenever else he uses a magic attack.
Either way, its too ambiguous to prove either way. It relies completely on the viewers interpretation. Thus it cannot be used as evidence.
Goht's 'lightning' is green. And floats around its body in black clouds. Obviously not lightning.
Barinade uses static electricity of some sort that shoots out of it in slow moving columns and there isn't a point where Link has to react to it.
Ganon never uses actual lightning.
I'm trying really hard to explain the difference between magic and lightning to you, yes.
I'm only saying it so many times because you keep posting examples that aren't actually lightning.
But you ignored how I pointed out that lightning rarely moves at its full speed in fiction. You've yet to prove why it is that this attack must be as fast as a real lightning strike. All you have ever said it 'this looks like lightning' without ever proving why it must follow on that its as fast as you say.
Cole uses lightning all the time, yet it isn't as fast as real lightning.
Azula throws actual lightning bolts around, which clearly are not actual lightning-speed.
Sasuke spams lightning jutsu constantly, yet its contrasted in the story with actual lightning as being vastly inferior in speed.
Etc etc.
As King said:
What you don't seem to get is there is a very real difference between electrical discharge/projected electricity and actual lightning striking from the sky.
Even if he is blasting magic lightning or electricity, that doesn't mean it's at real deal lightning speeds.
Do you understand? You can't just say it's lightning speed when you can't prove it.'
Oh mai gawd, like, this totally isn't lightning either. It, like, isn't even that fast and like, it totally flshes green, orange and purple. Totally magic.
Indeed, it very clearly resembles a magical spell of some sort and thats exactly what it is. It does not resemble a bolt of lightning. Its. F*cking. Sparkling. The colors are way off. Its covered in some black cloud of some sort. Its resembles fire at some points. Its obviously not lightning.
It looks like some crazy ass magical spell.
No-one is replying to this when they should be. Lightning doesn't sparkle people. Inform Scream of his lunacy so we can smother him with popular opinion!
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Huh, all right, it takes more than one frame. I didn't catch that watching it. To me it just looked like flashing lightning in different shapes.
Regardless, what's being rendered here is still fairly obvious.
Uhm, wat? Just gonna ignore Ganon's own word on this, huh?
Even discounting this it's just tertiary. We still have art of Link doing it, it being in Ganon's powerset, and no counter to them playing tennis with it in OoT.
Goht's is ambigous, Barinade and Ganondorf's are not. Ganondorf's gets an in game distinction between itself and similarly functioning magic.
Except what we're looking at is magic lightning. Which Ganon creates, y'know, with his magic.
You have not once proven they are not lightning. If it looks like lightning it's what? Fish?
Cole specifically uses special attacks with lightning that behave in specific, non-arching-electricity ways.
I don't even know who Azula is
and we don't have anything in Zelda that shows Ganon's lightning as inferior to naturally occuring lightning.
So of your three examples out of this huuuuge phenomenon in fiction (lel) only one of these can't be easily accounted for off the top of my head, because I don't know who Azula is.
Not once is Ganon's lightning shown as being inferior in universe.
It came out of his hands, of course it is magic, but to sum up your argument:
"ZOMG IT FLASHES"
Uhm, yeah, lightning attack flashes.
The only thing it resembles IS a bolt of lightning. It's sparking, it's bright, and I guess the presence of dark clouds means there is no ****ing way lightning could be nearby.
One to produce lightning, yes? Which is what we see, arching all over the place, giving off heat and light?
Even if someone disagrees with me on Link's reaction time, it takes a special brand of lunacy to not see lightning in that image.
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How about yes. This is the bare bones of our conflict right here.
I see lightning in one picture, you see red in another. In one of them you argue that there is no lightning. We're essentially at the point where we're arguing what we see. We're basically at the point of something called qualia.
Prove the square is red.
Edit: Yes, I am technically aware that red can be proven to exist on the electromagnetic spectrum. But this is way simpler and more appropriate.
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No the bare bones of our conflict is that you thinking 'Ok, so its magical lightning, and while magic by definition is unnatural and in many cases behaves strangely, I'm going to erroneously believe that magical lightning possesses the same natural properties as naturally-occuring lightning.'
The only time when we're disagreeing that it resembles lightning is in that last picture. Which doesn't look like lightning in the first place. Everything else I've said is magical lightning or possibly ball lightning in that OoT Ganon fight.
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So then you're agreeing it does resemble lightning in aLttP and OoT?
See, this doesn't compute to me, the first time I saw it my mind was like "hey, that's Link, Agahnim, and lightning." I just can't see anything else there.
There's no instance of it behaving strangely here and it demonstrates the properties of actual lightning. It forks and arcs and electrocutes and it's hot and it's bright.
You're assigning attributes to it that are not apparent.
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I've said where I agree it looks like lightning, except obviously with magical properties like being green.
Its 3 different colors. And its got those bizarre sparkles. You call those sparks? They're giant sparkles. And it definately looks like fire at where it meets the floor. Also lightning wouldn't impact like that.
I actually spluttered when I read this. You are the one assigning it attributes that are not apparent! I.E its ****ing speed. It magical lightning. You have to prove that its as fast as actual lightning. You can't just assume that it has it. Its magic, you can't assume anything. It doesn't move at lightning-speeds in the game. If we're really going by whats apparent, thats as apparent as it gets.
And what about when its shaped like a goddamn ball? You still act as if its as fast as a lightning bolt despite it actually resembling ball lightning.
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Then your tune has changed, you've outright denied several times that these instances even were lightning.
They certainly don't resemble glitter. Yes, it sets the floor on fire, because lightning is hot.
Wait, what? You're the one assigning attributes to it not inherent to lightning while discussing lightning. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a duck. "It's magic so it's different" not only doesn't hold up if you can't support it, it actually ceases to make sense at all when you realize you're essentially arguing Ganondorf magically engineered slow lightning just to **** himself over. You do see the problem there, right?
And the only time it takes ball form is when the player has to deflect it, in gameplay. Do you want little sideways Z's flying across the screen?
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And floats around its body in black clouds. Obviously not lightning.
