I understand that...base Goku during GT was a plot...lets not forget, he defeated an android that took out the entire group of Z fighters effortlessly. I agree with you but you also have to look at other factors as well.
It was said, and its the newest thing to come out. It just messes up a lot of things. Like how Vegeta or Gokou expected to have any kind of fight against 18 or win with ssj forms not allowed during Buu Saga.
Or that in like ten years Gokou can't get 50x more powerful than he was on Namek. When in 2 years he went from 400 to 3,000,000
Or how base Vegeta > ssj Kid Trunks who is in the same ballpark as 18.
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Bills is a God who gave us no reason whatsoever to question his word while assessing his opponent's power. King Kai has trained Goku since the Saiyan saga, and has literally watched his power evolve first hand over the years. They BOTH agreed that base Goku<Frieza, without power multipliers like SSJ(and I would assume, kaioken.)
The evidence is unarguable.
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Without a doubt Kaioken Goku would defeat Frieze. I'd even be surprised if he needed to go as high as x3. But the point is that BoG!Base is below Frieza, which on the scale means the Goku that fought Bills can be compared to GT!Base.
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Regardless, Bills' comment does make it seem like base Goku's PL was at least close to Frieza's. So if base Goku had a PL of 100m in BoG(which is reasonable in comparison to Frieza's PL of 120m), it puts his SSJ PL at 5b, his SSJ2 PL at 10b, and his SSJ3 PL at 40b *m=million, b=billion*
...Personally, I don't see the problem. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 4th, 2013 at 09:25 PM
I agree, but hey, Akira was all about retcons/changes/revelations in this movie... He used the film to retool the DBZ-verse's entire fraggin' cosmological structure, for crying out loud.
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But with that movie it also proves Tarble is canon. Who Goten and Trunks fought Freeza level beings. And while it just says as strong as Freeza, it is impossible to be first form Freeza, because 50x his first form doesn't come anywhere close to his full power. And at ssj they are a match for 18. So right there 18 has to be at least 50x more powerful than Final Form Freeza. Based off of feats. Which means that anybody that's stronger than her just super saiyan is > Freeza at base.
It just throws everything out of wack. Because if Gokou isn't freeza level 17 years after Freeza, then Cell isn't really that much more powerful than Freeza. And his solar system boasting really goes down hill.
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How powerful is the Super Saiyan God form in comparison to an SS3? We already know that the SS4 Goku is roughly 8000x stronger than the SS3 Goku whom Bills 2-shotted, but without a proper gauging of the SSG's level of power, it's difficult to decide how Bills would hypothetically fare against GT's SS4s.
He's clearly beyond SS3, as evidenced by Roshi's own remarks and Vegeta's performance against Bills as compared to other Z fighters(including Fat Buu and Mystic Gohan).
Yeah, that really doesn't make much sense at all. Goku at base form at this point should be noticeably beyond Freeza. Maybe Bills was sensing base base Goku.
Even Gotenks and kid Trunks as Super Saiyans can beat Freeza at this point no?
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Oct 4th, 2013 08:59 PM
I know, I just have a hard time buying Base Gokou < Freeza five years after Buu Saga. 
