Malak was simply better prepared for the odds on Star Forge then he ever had been before.
This is from the (former) official databank:
Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia even goes as far as to use the word "invincible" to describe Malak's position of power at this point.
It is obvious that Malak siphoned energies from multiple Jedi captives to fuel his power on Star Forge and was remarkably strong at this point.
Carth maybe a non-factor in a fight against a Sith Lord in one-on-one scenario but he would matter in a supportive role at least (if part of a Strike Team or a group). Carth was among the finest officers of the Republic during his time so he would be good in combat logically.
Shan's line-up have been recently acknowledged as among the most powerful and gifted ones in the galactic history much like Skywalker's line-up:
Bastilla's capture at the hands of thugs is a circumstantial event. The escape pods of Endar Spire crash-landed on different locations in Taris (if I am not mistaken) and Bastilla was not in good shape when she found herself surrounded by thugs.
I am not sure why people think lowly of Bastilla because of one circumstantial event but they fail to learn anything from the story of Count Dooku:
I acknowledge the fact that Revan was not in his prime condition during his second confrontation with Malak on Leviathan but the latter had to contend with 3 individuals in this encounter, not just 1.
I am not asserting that Plagueis would be easy to handle. I put Plagueis and Revan in the same league.
Speed feats are mostly unquantifiable and I try to refrain from relying upon them to decide the chances of a character in a versus contest unless meaningful quantification is possible. Revan have fought in lot of battles, his opponents ranging from soldiers to whole Strike Teams, and the Jedi Master have never ended up disarmed or blitzed in his duels (considering only martial aspects of combat in this argument). I would not underestimate Revan in matters of speed and dueling skills.
And raw power factor doesn't goes in favor of Plagueis at all: nearly atomizing defenseless individuals is not comparable to utterly destroying a powerful Sith Lord in a short span of time. Sorry.
I agree but Scourge is legitimately among the premium duelists of the mythos:
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan doesn't takes away from Meetra's previous accomplishments. It actually complements Mr. Chris's vision about True Sith:
And Scourge was not an apprentice during the events represented by the aforementioned novel (a battle-hardened Sith Lord instead):
See above
Malak disarmed Revan with his Force powers, not with martial prowess. My original point is about martial prowess of Revan.
Do you think that Revan was/is this easy to knock out?
This mission was carried out under direct supervision of Malgus and he wouldn't send some troops after Revan, Malgus himself recognized Revan's incredible power.
See above
Obi-Wan got lucky against Maul during their first encounter.
Obi-Wan was not a fly in comparison to Yoda by the end of The Clone Wars. His performance against Anakin should tell you something. Though I do believe that Yoda was/is on a different level in comparison to him or both.
Anyways, I think I need to rephrase my original statement. Revan have defeated some Sith Lords who are impressive even by Sith Lord standards. This holistically bodes well for his power and combat prowess in the mythos.
The phrase "plenty of stuff" is stretching it. Revan's feat of quick dismissal of Nyriss represents one of the foremost displays of raw power and Force Mastery in the mythos.
From another thread:
Ragnos's weapons are irrelevant; Luke didn't crush any AT-AT with his TK abilities and him deflecting firepower of one isn't such a big deal. Revan could match or exceed this level of performance as well since it would take 4 Basilisks to overwhelm him with their combined firepower. Basilisks are huge and impressive tanks; a lone Basilisk is more dangerous then AT-AT because of its flight abilities.
Also, inanimate objects do not match the power of the Force. It is much easier for a powerful Force-user to destroy a tank then another powerful Force-user. Look no further then "Satele versus Malgus" showdown # 2 to understand this point.
So she is mediocre? Really?
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Meetra's opinion is definitive because she was/is well aware of Revan's capabilities. Revan was/is the most powerful Jedi she had ever met and his quick dismissal of Nyriss complements the hype he receives from other individuals.
I won't be surprised by the possibility of Revan having an answer for Nihilus's powers. What if Revan manages to create a loop between them like he did with Nyriss in a (hypothetical) confrontation?
Nihilus could lay waste to an entire world but could still loose to a single "elite" individual in a direct confrontation. Such is the level of ambiguity in the Star Wars mythos. Revan can/could attack him from considerable distance with his own Force powers and I don't think that Nihilus would last long in such a scenario.
So you acknowledge that speed feats are mostly unquantifiable? Good
Revan physically outmaneuvered a swing from an Imperial Guard individual mid-fight with his acrobatics. This is extreme display of speed.
Anakin could make the most out of his abilities after receiving formal training from the Jedi Order.
Revan's command of the Force outstrips that of majority. He also have enormous combat experience under his belt. He can hang with the likes of Plagueis.
Vitiate and Sidious have set the bar too high in comparison to majority in the mythos.
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It's not at all that hard. The flashpoint is barely mid-30s. I also spec'd into the lightning/dps tree, so I can spam lightning all day without touching my Force reserves and major lightning attacks strike twice and have a higher chance to crit, among other things. SI is still a very vicious class if played right.
I also have 17k HP, so yeah. Revan isn't going to kill me anytime soon. I didn't even need to heal during the HK segment, because Force Storm stuns and wrecks his adds and he's apparently weak against Thundering Blast.
Also, I am too tired to line by line with SwG, so I'll do that later.
You can't go with the SWTOR logic. In that case, Dread Masters require an op team to kill where Vitiate is killed by the Knight only. Does that make the Masters more powerful? Not at all...
I think Plagueis and Revan both reached the secrets of the force equally but in different areas. Revan mastered light and dark side perfectly and survived for centuries. Plagueis had no enemies fighting him so he had the chance to study the force and manipulate it. Revan was constantly on war and experienced great events in the galaxy. I would say they are equal in force usage but Revan should have the upper hand on saber fighting an is more likely a better warrior so I think Revan would take this.
Hard mode Revan? Also ,some people are tragically missing the point. Revan is impossible to canonically measure up against the Sith heroes of TOR. We simply have no idea when they fought him and how.
Also, I don't have an hour to reply to SwG so you get postponed yet again.
Nov 15th, 2013 06:48 PM
Thanks Scribble!
