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__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Gender: Male Location: Southern Oregon,
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Don’t get hung up on words, dude.
Then you will never find it.
Do you mean your make believe heaven? Because Heaven is not a place: Heaven is a state of mind.
Nirvana!
lol …please stop! You’re going to kill me.
And I wanted to warn you that your disbelief in the dancing unicorns will be your ruin. That is what it feels like to me when you make these silly remarks. You are warning me about something that is NOT REAL.
You have made the following claims which I refuted using Bible quotes:
1. God does not lie or deceive.
2. God does not murder.
3. God is all-good.
If you are going to selectively interpret or ignore quotes from the Bible because they hurt your agenda to convert the world (with the very thinly veiled threat of "or you'll go to hell"), you are being blind and ignorant. You can't shower general statements and analogies and pretend to have any real knowledge of the matter.
If you are saying good is relative to God's whims, then I see no reason to respect or love God anymore than I would respect or love an abusive mercurial spouse who has leverage over me.
You're attempting to move the goalposts to invalidate my claim to debate instead of addressing the argument itself. I have read most of the Bible, and many years ago. Biblical scripture is also completely searchable on numerous websites, so this point is moot. Anything you can quote you can reference.
I'd like to point out that between you, JIA and myself, I have provided quotes many times, whereas you both have refuted it out of hand without actually examining the evidence.
Gender: Male Location: Southern Oregon,
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Could it be that they believe that if you actually read the bible that you would be a Christian? Therefore, sense you are not a Christian, then you must have never read the bible.
The Word of God (i.e. the Bible, Scriptures) have to be rightly divided (i.e. correctly interpreted).
Second, and with all due respect, there is no way that a person who is not born again, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit can rightly divide the Word of God.
The Holy Spirit is the Teacher.
A person without the indwelling Presence of the Holy Spirit finds the things of the Spirit of God to be foolishness.
The Bible is the product of the Spirit of God.
The Bible is a spiritual Book intended for spiritual people. (By spiritual people I mean people who have a new spiritual nature by virtue of being born again, and having the spiritual blindness removed from their minds.)
This is a spiritual matter--not a purely academic, or scholastic matter--that you can just reason out mentally and logically.
It takes more than that to understand the Bible.
You have to learn how to see things from a spiritual perspective: God's perspective by His Spirit living on the inside of you enlightening the eyes of your understanding, and imparting to you the spirit of wisdom.
For this reason, it might appear that God is lying, or murdering, or whatever the case might be, but He is not.
Again, God cannot violate His own word, so you must take for granted that everything that God does is in keeping with His Word, Will, and holy nature when you read the Bible--no matter how it looks.
I don't actually quote from the bible that much here because the points would be mute, however I am willing to discuss whatever you wish.
Tell me what you wish to debate and you will have it.
Does God kill..Yes
Does that make God evil..no
Good and Evil only exist to mortals, but as shaky persists, good and evil do not exist at all..Therefore if good and evil do not exist to him, then by default, he must believe in some form of God.
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Gender: Male Location: Southern Oregon,
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The only problem I see with the idea that the bible can only be understood by someone who has guidance from the holy spirit is the fact that there are so many denominations within Christianity that do not agree on what the bible is teaching. This means one of two thing:
1. The holy spirit is not consistent in it's teachings, and will teach one person one thing while teaching someone else differently.
2. There is only one true teaching (church), and the others are wrong.
Nether of these two are good; if 1 is true, then the holy spirit is lying to someone somewhere. While if 2 is correct, then how do we know that you are a member of that church? It is more likely that you are as lost as you say the rest of us are.
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