It varies greatly from person to person. Some people mature (socially) faster than others. Some of these supposedly innocent teens can not only give informed consent, they are more socially adept than most adults and the adults should be considered the victims of manipulation. Society doesn't want to see it that way. Imagine the headline: "Adult manipulated into sex with an emotionally abusive teen." The scoffs and guffaws...
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It took him many years later, having a son at the age he was then, to rethink what happened to him.
Interesting stats in there. It's claimed that there are 1,500 cases of student-teacher sexual relationships a year in Great Britain, and 40% of the time it's a female teacher. That's much higher than in the USA, where it's estimated they make up only 10% of the cases.
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And similarly I've known young (About 13) girls who've thought their teachers were totes hawt. Most of the girls thought this of my Algebra teacher in eighth grade. Should it be against the law for him to have banged them?
In most states the age of consent isn't 18. Only 12 states have 18 as the age of consent. 31 have 16 as the age of consent.
I think the term "statutory rape" should be removed from all legal discussion. To me, "rape" is such a strong word that it should never be applied to sex where both parties are consenting.
And while I don't know if we necessarily need to lower the age of consent, cases of sex between minors and adults should be taken on a case-by-case basis, where the psychological states of both actors are taken into account. As DDD said, not every adult is in a position to take advantage of a fragile teenager, sometimes it's the exact opposite.
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Taking advantage of someone who's too young to give informed consent, fully understand the complexities of sexual relations or deal with the consequences that sex can lead to constitutes rape in my mind.
That's kind of his point though, as I understand it.
How do you conclusively prove, in a legal environment, that someone is "not informed and/or does not fully understand the complexity of sexual relations"? Age isn't a good point of reference, because past 15 years old or so, the rate at which people mature fluctuates rapidly, and there is almost no difference from year-to-year (eg. one could reasonably assume that an 18-year old is wiser than a 10-year old by a significant margin, however the difference in wisdom between an 18-year old and a 17-year old is almost non-existent).
Yet, in the way our system works, you are technically a "rapist" if you have sex with someone a week before they reach the age of consent. Do they suddenly become wiser and more understanding of the consequences of sex within the span of a week?
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This applies to insurance policies as well except the difference is, they are always raping you.
I view "informed consent", as it pertains to age, to be a bell-curve. I think 14 might be a bit low on my imagined bell-curve. This is why I don't like the "quick and easy" measurements used in law. As Omega Vision put it, it should be on a case-by-case basis. I think we could prove that women who have 4 or more children (or men who have fathered multiple children from multiple partners), all from different men, are not able to give informed consent.
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Hey, I know I was getting really sex curious by the time I was 13, and fantasized about lots of older (famous) women. I wouldn't have said no at all if someone I found beautiful made advances on me. My mother had a friend I fantasized about. I was renting the movie Private Lessons and watching it constantly when I was 14 and could rent a VCR from the local store.
Who knows what I would have thought years later, if it had happened so early for me. But I didn't lose my virginity until I was 22, and she was a stranger I had just gotten to know. I'm not upset it didn't happen the first time with the love of my life and we we lived happily ever after - I just wanted the issue gone from my being.
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Probably not. Roughrider touched down in '86, knew he was a man by the age of six; even ****ed the girl who used to baby-sit, but that was years later on some crazy shit.
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