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Looking at even closer Orihime's attack doesn't even look like a SB cone...

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He's just city level

Nothing in Bleach is island level, let alone country level


Alright then, provide some scans for proof please.
You know what's the funny thing about you? You never ever provide proof for your statements.

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Just so I'm clear here.

http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-ch...64-page-10.html

This is the country busting level explosion up for discussion?


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Just so I'm clear here.

http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-ch...64-page-10.html

This is the country busting level explosion up for discussion?


Yes.

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Ah. Well then.

It is not country busting level.

/settled argument.


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Ah. Well then.

It is not country busting level.

/settled argument.


No you didn't.
Las Noches is at least Island Sized to Country Sized. Going by that, and if you take a look at Lanza, you will see that you can stack at least 4 to 5 Las Noches's on top of each other, and it might reach to its full height.
Lanza is also longer then Las Noches's entire width.

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Las Noches is probably more than city sized since Aizen had to do quite a bit of exploring to find Vasto Lords.

Means nothing though. Ulquiorra's Lanza is not country busting.


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Lol at lowballing the size of a country in order to shoe horn a label on a feat.


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Originally posted by AuraAngel
Las Noches is probably more than city sized since Aizen had to do quite a bit of exploring to find Vasto Lords.

Means nothing though. Ulquiorra's Lanza is not country busting.

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It is.
Lanza's height was many many times longer then Las Noches itself, its a Island to small or mid country buster.
It's width is far longer then Las Noches's short side.
It's speed is insane.

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The height of the Lanza is sort of irrelevant. The width is all that matters and the width isn't the length of a country no matter how you look at it.

Besides if the Lanza is a country buster then why does Las Noches remain?


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Originally posted by AuraAngel
The height of the Lanza is sort of irrelevant. The width is all that matters and the width isn't the length of a country no matter how you look at it.

Besides if the Lanza is a country buster then why does Las Noches remain?


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Both width and height is relevant, and Lanza's width is far far longer then Las Noches's short side.
Only reason why Las Noches remained is because it was thrown lol, have you read the manga? It was thrown quite a ways from Las Noches.
And yet Lanza's shock-waves was so powerful that it utterly crumbled a structure in HM, and HM structures are incredibly resilient. The trees are made of quartz.
Not only that, but the shock-waves were felt all the way back at Las Noches.
I don't quite know what your smocking, but it must be something.
Anyway, if height doesn't matter, then why do Naruto fans make such a big deal out of a attacks height?
Because it does matter.

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Learn2English mate and try to keep up.

1. The height does not matter in terms of destruction capacity unless you're comparing it to real life things like the Atom bomb. What is most important is seeing the aftermath of the explosion.

2. We never see the aftermath of the explosion. No giant crater, nothing ruined, and nothing really noteworthy. We see the characters above the dome react but frankly they don't matter. If someone like, say, Rukia(being below the dome when it hit) were to say something like "wow that could've taken out a mountain!" or some such then we'd have an argument. As is, you have no real aftermath to the lanza's impact.

3. Which leaves us looking before the explosion. What did the Lanza actually bust that makes it worthy of the term "country busting"? Not a lot. I saw some pillars in the distance and...that is literally all. This isn't a country busting attack. We know Roshi can destroy the moon because he did so. We know Freeza and those above him can destroy planets because he did so. We can't call the attack country busting because there was nothing busted except a few pillars.

4. Height in Naruto is also less important. Observe how most of the scaling is done by width and comparisons of the aftermath, rather than the height of the explosions. In Naruto the damage is clearly done and that is what matters for feats.

5. If I were a lesser, ruder man I could say that the insistence of the Lanza being a country buster implies a Napoleon complex over the power levels of something you like. But I shan't say such a rude thing and acknowledge my own errors. Namely that I was forgetting the difference between Las Noches and Hueco Mundo as most of the story takes place in the former. Hueco Mundo is the size of a country. Las Noches not so much.

6. You are the person who dismissed the Sage's creation of the moon as something one "cant use to scale how much the Sage can bust" which is a frankly hypocritical statement since the creation of the moon does in fact show the Sage as plenty capable of busting a country(because we know how Chibaku Tensei works). Yet Ulquiorra's lanza, which hasn't busted anything short of a couple pillars, gets contorted into country busting.


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Don't we see Ulq and Ichigo fighting around those roof pillars?


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Originally posted by AuraAngel
Learn2English mate and try to keep up.

1. The height does not matter in terms of destruction capacity unless you're comparing it to real life things like the Atom bomb. What is most important is seeing the aftermath of the explosion.

2. We never see the aftermath of the explosion. No giant crater, nothing ruined, and nothing really noteworthy. We see the characters above the dome react but frankly they don't matter. If someone like, say, Rukia(being below the dome when it hit) were to say something like "wow that could've taken out a mountain!" or some such then we'd have an argument. As is, you have no real aftermath to the lanza's impact.

3. Which leaves us looking before the explosion. What did the Lanza actually bust that makes it worthy of the term "country busting"? Not a lot. I saw some pillars in the distance and...that is literally all. This isn't a country busting attack. We know Roshi can destroy the moon because he did so. We know Freeza and those above him can destroy planets because he did so. We can't call the attack country busting because there was nothing busted except a few pillars.

4. Height in Naruto is also less important. Observe how most of the scaling is done by width and comparisons of the aftermath, rather than the height of the explosions. In Naruto the damage is clearly done and that is what matters for feats.

5. If I were a lesser, ruder man I could say that the insistence of the Lanza being a country buster implies a Napoleon complex over the power levels of something you like. But I shan't say such a rude thing and acknowledge my own errors. Namely that I was forgetting the difference between Las Noches and Hueco Mundo as most of the story takes place in the former. Hueco Mundo is the size of a country. Las Noches not so much.

6. You are the person who dismissed the Sage's creation of the moon as something one "cant use to scale how much the Sage can bust" which is a frankly hypocritical statement since the creation of the moon does in fact show the Sage as plenty capable of busting a country(because we know how Chibaku Tensei works). Yet Ulquiorra's lanza, which hasn't busted anything short of a couple pillars, gets contorted into country busting.


Not saying I agree with what they said but the main reasons they believe it's country level is because:

The 3 days statement
The fact Ichigo and co ran for hours or longer and it didn't look any closer

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The three days statement pertains to traveling an unspecified amount of Las Noche's circumference, not its diameter. Which as we all know is Pi times more than the diameter.

The "three days to cross" claim is looking hokier by the moment. It's also relying on the word of a ****ing little girl to be accurate.


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Originally posted by AuraAngel
Learn2English mate and try to keep up.

1. The height does not matter in terms of destruction capacity unless you're comparing it to real life things like the Atom bomb. What is most important is seeing the aftermath of the explosion.

2. We never see the aftermath of the explosion. No giant crater, nothing ruined, and nothing really noteworthy. We see the characters above the dome react but frankly they don't matter. If someone like, say, Rukia(being below the dome when it hit) were to say something like "wow that could've taken out a mountain!" or some such then we'd have an argument. As is, you have no real aftermath to the lanza's impact.

3. Which leaves us looking before the explosion. What did the Lanza actually bust that makes it worthy of the term "country busting"? Not a lot. I saw some pillars in the distance and...that is literally all. This isn't a country busting attack. We know Roshi can destroy the moon because he did so. We know Freeza and those above him can destroy planets because he did so. We can't call the attack country busting because there was nothing busted except a few pillars.

4. Height in Naruto is also less important. Observe how most of the scaling is done by width and comparisons of the aftermath, rather than the height of the explosions. In Naruto the damage is clearly done and that is what matters for feats.

5. If I were a lesser, ruder man I could say that the insistence of the Lanza being a country buster implies a Napoleon complex over the power levels of something you like. But I shan't say such a rude thing and acknowledge my own errors. Namely that I was forgetting the difference between Las Noches and Hueco Mundo as most of the story takes place in the former. Hueco Mundo is the size of a country. Las Noches not so much.

6. You are the person who dismissed the Sage's creation of the moon as something one "cant use to scale how much the Sage can bust" which is a frankly hypocritical statement since the creation of the moon does in fact show the Sage as plenty capable of busting a country(because we know how Chibaku Tensei works). Yet Ulquiorra's lanza, which hasn't busted anything short of a couple pillars, gets contorted into country busting.



Only reason why I said that about the Sage making the moon, is because we don't know how large it is, and how large the landmass's used were, don't twist what I say.

Err what? The battle wasn't meant to focus on a technique. Anyway, Lanza forced a shit ton of sand to blow everywhere, key word is sand, Hueco Mundo is a sandy world, certainly you cant have craters made from sand can you?
Also, Lanza's shock waves busted those pillars, not the technique itself. There was nothing out there for it to bust.

I've noticed plenty of debaters brag about a Naruto techniques height before, it might be an assumption, but I'm pretty sure height does have some relevance, after all, the scaling of the first from Juubi's TBB almost always has its height mentioned.

Hueco Mundo is far far larger then a country dude.

What are you trying to say about my English?
Because I'm quite certain I write fairly better then a bunch of other people.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-ch...248-page-6.html

The three days statement pertains to traveling an unspecified amount of Las Noche's circumference, not its diameter. Which as we all know is Pi times more than the diameter.

The "three days to cross" claim is looking hokier by the moment. It's also relying on the word of a ****ing little girl to be accurate.


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That girl was a former Espada, and basically everything else she said was accurate.
Even without her memories she clearly held a lot of information about Hueco Mundo.

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Don't we see Ulq and Ichigo fighting around those roof pillars?
There are scans of LN in which the pillars are not even visible

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Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-ch...248-page-6.html

The three days statement pertains to traveling an unspecified amount of Las Noche's circumference, not its diameter. Which as we all know is Pi times more than the diameter.
Las Noches is a square/rectangle, not a circle. There's got to be a gate along each of its 4 sides, or she would have told them to take a turn at the side (not walk continuously for 3 days)

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t's also relying on the word of a ****ing little girl to be accurate.
None of them objected to the statement after seeing Las Noches' size, so its accurate.

And finally:

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Country sized Las Noches confirmed!

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Only reason why I said that about the Sage making the moon, is because we don't know how large it is, and how large the landmass's used were, don't twist what I say.

Err what? The battle wasn't meant to focus on a technique. Anyway, Lanza forced a shit ton of sand to blow everywhere, key word is sand, Hueco Mundo is a sandy world, certainly you cant have craters made from sand can you?
Also, Lanza's shock waves busted those pillars, not the technique itself. There was nothing out there for it to bust.

I've noticed plenty of debaters brag about a Naruto techniques height before, it might be an assumption, but I'm pretty sure height does have some relevance, after all, the scaling of the first from Juubi's TBB almost always has its height mentioned.

Hueco Mundo is far far larger then a country dude.

What are you trying to say about my English?
Because I'm quite certain I write fairly better then a bunch of other people.


Yet we know how much mass is in our moon and thus can make a reasonable assumption as to how much mass is in Naruto moons. Better than building is the size of Texas.

Goku vs Roshi wasn't really about the moon either. Didn't stop the characters from noticing that the moon was gone. Or Kakashi commenting that Bijuu Bomb level mountains in passing.

And are you implying that the attack you suggest is country busting can't leave so much as a single crater(or any noteworthy change) in the desert? erm

And that is probably because the explosion is hundred of miles away.

Not really.


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Yet we know how much mass is in our moon and thus can make a reasonable assumption as to how much mass is in Naruto moons. Better than building is the size of Texas.

Goku vs Roshi wasn't really about the moon either. Didn't stop the characters from noticing that the moon was gone. Or Kakashi commenting that Bijuu Bomb level mountains in passing.

And are you implying that the attack you suggest is country busting can't leave so much as a single crater(or any noteworthy change) in the desert? erm

And that is probably because the explosion is hundred of miles away.

Not really.


First of, we can't use our moon for Naruto, since the moon in Naruto is a lot closer to their worlds orbit.
No change in the dessert? What are you talking about? (please log in to view the image)
Notice the massive amount of sand blasting in the air?
Anyway, the Manga wasn't focused on the Lanza, it was focused on the battle, even still, it was made out to be a big deal that Lanza can be spammed.

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