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Can the Master Sword cut through Sauron's ring ?
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BloodRain
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Weight is only a factor here when the character is strong enough to swing it, do you agree?

I also assume you're not under the impression that weapon weight isn't part of the force needed by the person to preform the feat.

If you agree, then you know that the feat is weapon+damage = guy swinging it.

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Originally posted by BloodRain
Weight is only a factor here when the character is strong enough to swing it, do you agree?

I also assume you're not under the impression that weapon weight isn't part of the force needed by the person to preform the feat.

If you agree, then you know that the feat is weapon+damage = guy swinging it.

More weight equals greater force.

It factors into the equation.

More weight equals greater force which is what we will keep coming back to.

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BloodRain
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And where does the strength to swing the weapon and produce the Force come from?

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And where does the strength to swing the weapon and produce the Force come from?

Link but the weight matters of the weapon. You can't ignore it.

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Apr 11th, 2014 12:04 AM

BloodRain
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Link but the weight matters of the weapon. You can't ignore it.

Exactly. The force to swing such a weapon for enough power to preform feats must come from the person swinging it.

Unless the weapon can generate its own levels of force, the feat comes from Link's own strength. He can apply it how he likes.

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Apr 11th, 2014 09:58 AM

quanchi112
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Originally posted by BloodRain
Exactly. The force to swing such a weapon for enough power to preform feats must come from the person swinging it.

Unless the weapon can generate its own levels of force, the feat comes from Link's own strength. He can apply it how he likes.

And the force of the weighted object also counts.

We never see his sword capable of this due to its weight.

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Apr 12th, 2014 03:53 AM

BloodRain
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Yes, but both the feat and the weapon weight comes from Link.

The only way you can say the force generated from using a sword is nothing like the ice chunk feat is if you believe the weapon is generating its own power.

Like I said, if Sauron used a sword he'd still be hitting as hard right?

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I said that was my opinion but it was speculative.

You stated that the Ring could tank nukes because magic doesn't have to obey physical laws. Therefore, Ganondorf's magic can also tank nukes, as it doesn't have to follow physical laws.

It's quite simple.

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It didn't dispel the executioners sword just that sissy Dorf when it went inside his girlish frame.

Why would the Master Sword dispel the Sage's Sword?

In any case, the Master Sword dispels that Ring's magic and cuts its evil power. The end.

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Yes, but both the feat and the weapon weight comes from Link.

The only way you can say the force generated from using a sword is nothing like the ice chunk feat is if you believe the weapon is generating its own power.

Like I said, if Sauron used a sword he'd still be hitting as hard right?

No, his strength does but the weight of the item means he can't do it minus his sword. laughing out loud

Force from his sword is far weaker or less powerful than from the mace. laughing out loud

No, his power doesn't come from the weight of the weapon since he was knocking people back he didn't even directly hit. Thats power, sport.

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Apr 17th, 2014 12:29 AM

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You stated that the Ring could tank nukes because magic doesn't have to obey physical laws. Therefore, Ganondorf's magic can also tank nukes, as it doesn't have to follow physical laws.

It's quite simple.

Why would the Master Sword dispel the Sage's Sword?

In any case, the Master Sword dispels that Ring's magic and cuts its evil power. The end.

I doubt it since swords can cut his flesh. Same swords can't destroy each other but cut through his flesh like butter

Prove it.

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I doubt it since swords can cut his flesh. Same swords can't destroy each other but cut through his flesh like butter

But magic doesn't have to obey physical laws, right? So you admit Ganondorf can tank nukes because magic.

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Apr 17th, 2014 06:10 AM

BloodRain
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No, his strength does but the weight of the item means he can't do it minus his sword.

Force from his sword is far weaker or less powerful than from the mace.

No, his power doesn't come from the weight of the weapon since he was knocking people back he didn't even directly hit. Thats power, sport.

You've states that the strength comes from Link, not the weapon.

Then state the power only comes from the weapon, not Link.

Make up your mind on which excuse is to be used. Which tbh boils down to this: Can you prove that Link's strength is nothing wielding another weapon, or can't you?

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But magic doesn't have to obey physical laws, right? So you admit Ganondorf can tank nukes because magic.

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The have magical properties but dispelling magic has nothing to do with cutting through his flesh.

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You've states that the strength comes from Link, not the weapon.

Then state the power only comes from the weapon, not Link.

Make up your mind on which excuse is to be used. Which tbh boils down to this: Can you prove that Link's strength is nothing wielding another weapon, or can't you?

It has to do with both. Link is string enough to wield it but the weapon clearly matters.

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Dec 8th, 2014 01:03 AM

BloodRain
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Strong enough to wield that weapon like he does is fine. Because that means the force that backs the strikes come from Links raw strength.

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Dec 8th, 2014 01:05 AM

quanchi112
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Strong enough to wield that weapon like he does is fine. Because that means the force that backs the strikes come from Links raw strength.

If I throw a larger stone at someone's head and it kills them do you say my strength alone can achieve what the stone toss achieved ??

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Dec 8th, 2014 01:08 AM

BloodRain
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Do you have the strength to throw a large stone with enough force to kill a person? In that situation? Obviously.

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Dec 8th, 2014 01:15 AM

quanchi112
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Do you have the strength to throw a large stone with enough force to kill a person? In that situation? Obviously.

No, my strength could eventually kill the person but the stone obviously is factored in. You want to ignore the fact the stone did so. It's like saying I am strong enough to use a sword and look at my strength kill this person as I use the sword.

Ridiculous.

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