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Originally posted by dadudemon
I presented both scenarios you talked about (that you said were contradictions). I showed you where they definitely were not contradictions and had the same exact outcome for Palps.

And why does he need Anakin? The Son of the Force?

Are you really asking why would an evil, power-hungry, very magically powerful, megalomaniac, desired the potentially strongest person in the Force to be his servant?

Your problem with that desire is nonsensical. If it is a problem you have with the Emperor, then you have to also have the same problem with the Original Trilogy because he tried to get Luke to be his servant, as well.

Whenever we argue about how poor you think the PT is, we almost invariably end up where I'm telling you your criticisms equally apply to the OT, which you hold in a much higher regard than the PT. The only thing I desire from these conversations is for you to acknowledge that most of your complaints are not legit and you're holding an unequal standard for the PT that you don't hold for the OT.



So you have a problem with the author keeping a "big reveal" from the audience until the Revenge of the Sith? Why...what? Why is that even remotely close to an issue? Now you have problems with telling stories with lots of foreshadowing, character development, and big reveals?

Do you even buy the arguments you make? I don't believe you actually buy into that argument.

So you hated the big reveal of Vader being Luke's father? Did you hate Leia being Luke's sister? If you hate big reveals, that's fine. I have no right to tell you how you should feel about the stories.

But any fan of Star Wars...ANY fan...knew that Palps was the emperor. It was only a very casual viewer that would be surprised with the "big" reveal.

And how he is pulling the strings? What do you exactly mean? Are you wondering how he has power over people like Nute Gunray? Because, in that case, why does he have power over people like Darth Vader? From whence commeth is power to be over people? Your complaint equally applies to the OT as it does to the PT. Where does any evil dictator get their power over other people? You criticize the story for a very common human theme where dictators rise to power over people.



I don't see a single legitimate complaint, from a logical perspective. You just don't want the story to work. Everything you complain about, here, is either malformed or requires a huge amount of the movie to be ignored. You have a problem with an evil, manipulative, and magically powerful dictator...manipulating people to rise to power. And state, "the movie doesn't tell us what he's doing and what he's trying to achieve." I mean, damn...it literally shows us exactly those two things. He's manipulating the trade federation, the senate, the Jedi, and the Naboo people from the background so he can rise to power. I mean, what else do you want? The movie gives you exactly what you say it doesn't.



"Right before" huh? Yeah, the span of about 1 hour happens in TPM before we get a hint that he's gunning for the Supreme Chancellor's position and when he actually becomes the Supreme Chancellor. The movie is over 2 hours, of course, but it is not "right before" like you suggest.

And you think no shitting out the entirety of a plot, right at the beginning of a film, is bad story telling? Cool. I can't tell you what you should enjoy. But some people enjoy a slow build. They enjoy a bit of intelligent plot and world building as character motivations are slowly revealed and culminate in a story-telling climax.



Honestly, I enjoyed the crap out of TPM's political elements. It was very fun. Due to the time, George Lucas couldn't really shit out his political messages (or anti-political messages, depending on who you talk to) in the OT. He had less restrictions with the PT so his political ideas and anti-political ideas are a lot more fleshed out. He didn't have to hold back. Maybe that's part of why I like the PT, in general, more than the OT...GL didn't have to hold back as much.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh crap Ep. 8 delayed by 6 months!

Think they're going to keep capitalising on the December success.

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Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
30 years into the future, and the First Order are still using TIE fighters and Stormtroopers. You'd expect them to at least have teleportation pods and Terminator-like regenerating bots. But no, they still use spaceships that can only travel at warp speeds. Technology is slow as a snail. Even Star Trek got them beat.

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Originally posted by queeq

Oh and SW was never about technology. That's a Star Trek thing.

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Originally posted by Kazenji
But it is about technology on this forum,

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh crap Ep. 8 delayed by 6 months!

Think they're going to keep capitalising on the December success.

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Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I read somewhere Disney decided to premiere the next Pirates movie for the Dec slot.

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Originally posted by Kazenji
I get what your saying

but what i'm getting at is......it is about technology for some folks on KMC.