Not giving you pre-Flashpoint Aquaman without scans, Dark.
Our pool hall Aquaman looks nothing like the Millennial one (2000-2010).
For that matter, the Green Lantern used preFlashpoint on the Justice League team was mostly John Stewart, not Hal Jordan, as is the case now.
Flash fits either era.
And I still say Batman looks more current than recent yesteryear, but I'm not yet insisting on it.
Find me some reasonable proof that the artist of this scene was trying to represent pre-Flashpoint Aquaman,
like the year of its creation being 2009 or something.
Likewise, I'm perfectly willing to "explore" scenarios with you with various rosters.
But if you're trying to assert that's really supposed to be pre-Flashpoint Aquaman for this discussion, you need some proof.
Hard for me to shake the idea, given my viewing of the Iron Man cartoon where the redhead woman near Tony was nearly ALWAYS her,
but, no, I'm not still objectively assuming there's a Spiderwoman in the picture.
Just fighting the persistence of memory now, is all ...
Show me this pool hall work was produced in some year that is pre52 and we've got no argument.
Otherwise, no, a case for probably half the DC characters being 52 can be made, even as the Marvel characters look post-2010 as well.
The picture was drawn in 2013 - but that doesn't mean anything.
Proof:
Distinct lack of collar
Belt design (DCnU is a solid band, as opposed to two thin strips)
The presence of Hal Jordan, not Stewart, means nothing, as Hal was part of the JLA pre-FP.
HOWEVER, there is no question that it IS pre-FP Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, and Power Girl (she has no line across her shoulders). Flash, as you say, could fit both, and you are unconvinced about Batman.
So in a team of 8, that's four pre-FP, possibly 5/6 with Flash/GL, and you're unsure about Bats.
During the Geoff Johns run coming up to Infinite Crisis, Water hand Aquaman wore gloves.
See his fight with Despero in JLA 115, I think it was.
Actually, correction: The last time Aquaman had the particular collar in that picture, was pre-hook hand. Actually, the last time he had it, that I can see, was pre-COIE.
Though in this case, like your supposed pre52, non-Silver Age, clean-shaven, glove-wearing Aquaman,
it could be this is just an example of extreme underrepresentation.
I generally keep up on the Supergirl title and not World's Finest, or Power Woman, or whatever title it is Karen appears in now, so like you, I probably think certain costume designs are more prevalent and well-known than they really are.
That's so ****ing stupid. You actually think the DC team, which ahs a powerful telepath to boost would just stand there and let's IM calls his team into a huddle and past around powerful artifacts?
While were at it, what's stopping the DC team from doing the same shit? Hell, what's stopping the Johnn from just lobotomizing IM?
Dark, is this the "lunch speed" version of the Flash and Superman you're trying to go with?
Which was featured for both in exactly ONE issue that I know of, just before Flashpoint?
And is even less typical a depiction of either character than Hulk making the Eastern Seaboard shake with a single stomp is?
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He was correcting himself with respect to the collar. NOT the presence of gloves, shaving and/or water hand.
I see you haven't answered my points about PG/MM/WW/Supes.
And GL/Flash could fit in either.
So that leaves Bats which you're unsure about, and mulishness with sticking to Aquaman. I am reminded the last time we tussled like this, which was when you kept harping on about Rulk still being able to absorb energy as he used to do. Which of course, you lost that.
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You posted while I was typing up my last response.
Above isn't bad, though I still don't think the pool hall illustrator had that in mind.
At this point you'd be better off proposing what exactly you think Aquaman will do in this fight, though --
you're not likely to truly convince me if even Pr disagrees with you without quite a few more scans.
Bats should take on BW, seeing as how they are the 2 only actual humans in the room
Aquaman vs Cap America
PowerGirl vs Rogue
GL vs IM
The Flash can take on both Spidey and Logan
Superman takes on Thor
MM vs the Hulk
and I would leave WW to play wild card to help out either Supes or MM when and if needs it.
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Well, if he has the Hand of the Waterbearer, which cures mutations, then...it doesn't look too good for Wolverine (which is who I had in my matchup anyway, regardless of the Aquaman version; see Page 1). Or he and J'onn could combine their telepathy and send all of team Marvel to sleep (thanks for bringing up the Xavier showing, by the way). He could also form constructs (not on the level of GL) and fight with that. Or dehydrate the opposing team members. He could shoot boiling water, or freezing ice. Of course, it also amped his strength somewhat, so there's that.
Without it, so post Brightest Day, then he could just punch and use telepathy, which is still pretty strong.
I honestly don't think the artist really knew what he was doing, and for the most part just drew the costumes he knew best, or the ones that came up first on a google search.
Modern Iron Man but Pre Crisis Aquaman and Brown Suit Wolverine doesn't really make sense to me.
Might be better if we just give a blanket "Pre Flashpoint", or "New 52" ruling and go with it.
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