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Liberate me until I LOVE IT.


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You will love freedom and eagles and hot dogs and shit.


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And drone strikes.


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You will love freedom and eagles and hot dogs and shit.
I think I might already be a closet American. Cuz I love all that. Including drone strikes.


Especially drone strikes.


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Even Pizza Hut uses drones. It's the Murican way.


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You will love freedom and eagles and hot dogs and shit.


Wouldn't hot dogs made from eagles be the ultimate Merica food?


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Only if they are delivered by drones.


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Only if they are delivered by drones.


Of course! wink


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You guys ever want to pet a bald eagle, come up to Canada. We don't prosecute that shit.


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At least until you're annexed.


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Stopped reading comments on articles relating to this topic because they were melting my brain with repeated parrotings of "USA can't say anything because Iraq" and "Yanukovych was democratically elected" and "Crimea is mostly Russian already"

At some point, people forgot that Russia is a dictatorship and that the USA is a democracy, that Yanukovych was removed from power by his own party working together with the opposition, and that cynicism isn't the same as intelligence.


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His parliament basically removed him as one, so his idea that he still represents the people is sheer stubbornness and stupidity. While I'm not going to attempt to justify invasions of Iraq/Afghanistan on behalf of Bush and co., I'm certainly going to point out that Russia's intervention is illegal because of the three important legal milestones of Ukraine's sovereignty: The Alma Ata Declaration of Dec. 1991, the Budapest memorandum of 1994, and the Black Sea fleet agreement of 1997. But of course no one will do anything about it, so this might end up like a more publicly known Ossetia.


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Russia wants to kill some more people. What a surprise!
I say announce the reason Russia wants to kill a certian number of people to the world and let our people know the truth. Hitler/Putin.


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... if America invaded Mexico ...



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I thought we did that already?

Aren't they our 51st state?

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I thought we did that already?

Aren't they our 51st state?


No, we are the 32ed state of Mexico. wink


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His parliament basically removed him as one, so his idea that he still represents the people is sheer stubbornness and stupidity. While I'm not going to attempt to justify invasions of Iraq/Afghanistan on behalf of Bush and co., I'm certainly going to point out that Russia's intervention is illegal because of the three important legal milestones of Ukraine's sovereignty: The Alma Ata Declaration of Dec. 1991, the Budapest memorandum of 1994, and the Black Sea fleet agreement of 1997. But of course no one will do anything about it, so this might end up like a more publicly known Ossetia.


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The incidents are also different on multiple levels, so comparing them would not accomplish anything imo.


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Iraq and Crimea would be comparable if the Ukrainian military had used chemical weapons against Crimean Russians in the past and if Ukraine had invaded one of its neighbors with the aim of annexing it.


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Iraq and Crimea would be comparable if the Ukrainian military had used chemical weapons against Crimean Russians in the past and if Ukraine had invaded one of its neighbors with the aim of annexing it.


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And if Crimea had been hiding Terrorists that had blown up the Moscow opera or similar, then we could begin to draw a comparison but then we just lack all the geopolitic realities behind the incident.


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And if Crimea had been hiding Terrorists that had blown up the Moscow opera or similar, then we could begin to draw a comparison but then we just lack all the geopolitic realities behind the incident.

Well, there was next to no truth behind that particular claim. Iraq under Saddam was not at all friendly to Islamist terrorists. Saudi Arabia would have been a much better target for invasion under that criterion.

However the oft touted "no WMDs" issue is a little overblown, because as things have come to light about Saddam's own government and US informers within Saddam's inner circle, it's become apparent that Saddam himself believed that he had much more weapons of mass destruction than he actually had, and many in the Iraqi military were just as clueless as the US military regarding Iraq's arsenal.


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