Yeah, that was my bad was kind of rushed. I actually meant radius like I said in my original post and you can clearly see it in the scan. So at least one earth diameter and that's not up for discussion.
Except there would have to be a timeframe for you to claim that.
The timeframe can be deduced by the IT which was used before the blast reached a high enough altitude and by the time Goku's teleportation was finished and he was behind Cell, it had already traveled that far. One earth diameter+ in an instant.
1. The 'delay' is because of Goku having to lock his ki onto some other character.
2. Here, it was mind teleportation that the blast reached outer space and beyond.
3. Anime isn't canon when it contradicts the manga.
It's teleportation like you said. It's virtually instant.
They lived in a nebula in an unknown part of space and flew all the way to the otherworld, which exists above the galaxies and living world.
I don’t know how that’s not massively ftl in your world because no matter how you look at it, they flew far very very very very far in less than half an hour.
Maybe check your shit before you call out other people for telling you facts.
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It's relevant to prove that when Piccolo blew up the moon the timeframe actually less than a second or else you want to claim that these super fast dudes would just stand there for like 10 seconds and stare at something mid-fight.
There's also Thanos surviving Omega's all-out blast but that's kind of too much for poor 'Seid. I was also saying that the blast was MFTL, not the teleportation itself since it's just teleportation. Thanos >>> Bills > Asura > Darkseid
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Found this in someone else's argument about Thanos' power. I can tell you Ausra should just go and fight Darkseid. Bills is the only chance to bring this down on the strict fact that his origins are very vague. And unless he surprises us with his physical strength Bills' only chance is to destroy Thanos with energy attacks as they seem to many times stronger than DBZ character's physical powers. But even so. Thanos probably wins.
It doesn't matter, even at that pace you still wouldn't hit light speed.
Except that there wasn't. I'm not talking about Goku locking on the a ki signal. I'm talking about the time frame between when he dematerlizes and rematerlizes. The point where he literally blinks away and reapears. That has no time frame and you're making the assumption that it's instant.
It Cell fires a blast at Goku. And Goku instant transmissions, and then blast reaches 2x Earth's diameter. The time between Goku disappearing and reappearing is unknown, if it took a second you'd still be a far cry away from light speed.
Anime isn't canon, but there's no time frame in the manga. So no, it isn't anywhere close to light if that's what you're going off of.
Except that it isn't, and there isn't anything in the manga to support this.
Rewatch the movie. Whis show that they're planet was very far from Earth. If they had flown to the Earth from their planet in a half hour, you may have had an argument on your hands.
That's NOT Galactus' attack, they're saying that the Annihilation Wave across the galaxy was destroyed. Not that Galactus let loose a galaxy destroying attack and Thanos was in the middle of it.
You really need to learn how to read.
Power scaling fails with DBZ
You mean when Thanos admitted that he only survived because of 3 force fields and his own armor, then admitted he wouldn't have survive 2 minutes if the fight continued...
Oh wait I forgot..you hate context, I should turn this into a drinking game. Every time you bullsh(t or post something out of context I take a shot, although at rate I'll die of alcohol poisoning..
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Nice red herring you have there. I mean a "vast majority" of ki blasts throughout DBZ haven't planet busted, whereas only a few have, yet we accept DBZ chars are planet busters without any issue
Why should comics be analysed an differently than any other fiction where we focus on the higher end spectrum of feats now?
Because no feat of that magnitude is replicated throughout Part 1 Dragon Ball
Holy **** you're stupid
While they are, indeed, faster, to say they're under a higher classification of speed without feats to back it is a baseless assumption
You said it happened in the duration he teleported which has been used to teleport across many lightyears instantly
You realise teleportation is just ignoring/bypassing space/time to cross distance in any case (in other words, you're not covering distance over any timeframe)
Ergo, the blast would still be high end sub relativistic
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Focus people. Bills, Asura vs Thanos and Darkseid.
Bills is faster then light in how fast he travels around the universe (and maybe he slips into subspace or who dafuq knows?) and we haven't seen him at peak power. <-- This is all we know
I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. Just stop arguing feats and powers of other Dragon Ball Z characters.
The scan in question is talking about Galactus's attack, he destroyed life in the galaxy to get rid of the A-wave. That said, Thanos was already dead when that happened
Re-read the comic. Thanos' monologue clearly mentions that Galactus' power swept the galaxy clean, not that it only swept the Annihilation Wave clean. The HMR blast was blowing up star systems while propagating across the galaxy, so why its offensive output should only be limited to the Annihilation Wave is beyond me.
Omega was stated to be twice as powerful as Galactus. And considering that there really isn't anything in the DBverse on par with a being like Galactus, I don't see your point.
I already read it, you haven't apparently. The blast from Galactus in Annihilation, the one that Surfer flew from, destroyed 3 solar systems.
THIS WAS CONFIRMED IN ANNIHILATION
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No where in ANY comic does it state Galactus destroyed a galaxy. It stated that when Annihilation Wave across the galaxy was swept clean, NOT BY GALACTUS NUKING THE GALAXY.
Also where does it state that Omega is 2x as powerful as Galactus? I'm reading Infinity Abyss right now on Marvel Unlimited and Genis Vell states that Omega's power dwarfs the original, not that he's 2x as powerful.
More importantly, where does it state that Omega blasted Thanos at full power? Which someone claimed earlier? Oh yeah it never did
Thanos fanboys are almost as bad as DBZ fanboys when it comes to making sh*t up.
No it doesn't. The only thing here that's been referenced is that the Annihilation Wave across the galaxy was destroyed.
What dumbasses are trying to imply is that Galactus blast single handedly destroyed the Annihilation Wave, which is utter horse shit.
What actually happened was that Galactus destroyed the Annihilation Wave within a few solar systems. . The rest of the Annihilation Wave signed a treaty to back off the Kree.
The time frame is instant. It's a fcking teleportation ability; it's a blink. There's no damn delay time unless you can prove there is. Which you can't since it's teleportation.
Even if you say it's not an instant, its duration (as in dematerialization and rematerialization) sure as Hell is much less than a second.
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there's another one. In the panel you can clearly see the blast hit the moon as soon as it leaves Piccolo's hand (indicated by the light). All of it in one panel meaning it happens at that very moment. That's as clear-cut as it can get no matter how much you want to deny it.
Even assuming that there's a delay time between de and rematerialization, why would the interval be a second when these people were fighting at hypersonic speeds since the 21st Budokai?
Never said it was canon. In the anime Cell's Kamehameha goes way farther and destroys some distant star as well.
Why do I have to prove what's been made clear as day in the manga? It's called INSTANT transmission as it's a TELEPORTATION ability. Prove your claim that it isn't instant as the manga suggests. Lmao at you trying to claim there's a one second delay time before rematerialization. A second is a long time even for supersonic fighters in case you don't realize that.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here? In the movie as I told you they were shown to be living above galaxies and whatever. They didn't reside in the Milky Way or near King Kai's planet.
Yes, because teleportation takes time 20+ minutes am I right? Nice reaching buddy. What actually happened is that they traveled so fast that they disappeared from view completely after leaving the earth's atmosphere. If you look at the beginning of the movie you can see that they were indeed traveling.
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There ya go.
No, you need to read. Your 'interpretation' is as biased and nonsensical as it can get. Galaxy's herald my rage blast destroying the galaxy is fact according to everyone, not just me.
"... And the galaxy swept clean" not "the galaxy swept clean of the Annihilation wave" Learn to comprehend.
Show me one instance where it does.
Before you say anything though, I'll tell you there's this thing called 'attack potency' which is different than 'area of effect.' Meaning that Frieza's blast that destroyed Vegeta (referring to the planet here) wouldn't hurt someone like Cell despite the fact that nobody in Cell saga actually destroyed a planet. The characters are said to have full control of their ki meaning they can control the aoe effect but still do the damage necessary with great potency.
I said survived the blast from Omega, not fought with him. His armor and shields are part of his gear.
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Because they are? Frieza's blast that destroyed planet vegeta would never hurt, say, Super Perfect Cell yet a blast that only made a crater on the earth managed to completely vaporize him.
The comic characters' feats aren't linear like Dragon Ball characters. They are written by different authors who have different interpretations of a certain character. There are high-end showings for Thor that would make the average Galactus incarnation jealous like absorbing a bomb that would destroy 1/5th of the universe.
A herald level character isn't someone who can run at billions of times faster than light and destroy solar systems. That's not how the tiering works and you can go ask the people at the comic section. I used to post there all the time.
Kind of like how Thor drove away Galactus who was actually winning against Ego. But I guess that's not an outlier am I right.
Nah you don't know anything about Dragon Ball or comic books. You just go by what other people tell you homie. You can't prove a single point other than bring up scans that you've seen people post in respect threads.
Speed is linear here. If a blast takes 5 seconds to reach the moon from the earth, then that blast would be roughly 1/5th of the speed of light since it takes about one second for light emitted from this planet to travel to the moon. So if Piccolo's blast took, say, 10 seconds to reach the moon (when it clearly got there as soon as it left his hand), then it was 1/10th the speed of light. Dragon Ball characters' stats improve dramatically so there's literally no fathomable fcking way for you to say that they were not ftl by the end of Z.
Like how much more clear-cut than this can you get?
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It reached the moon in the SAME PANEL as it was fired.
Teleportation is instantaneous. The blast went that far before an 'instant.' Goku dematerialized and rematerialized and within that duration the blast had already traveled that far.
Even saying that teleportation isn't instantaneous (which is a retarded thing to claim, but hey you're here to downplay)
the time interval wouldn't be a second like you're trying to say here. It'd be way less unless you want to say that Goku would have a better time actually flying than teleporting in short-ranged combat. A second would be a long time for even supersonic characters. Do you not understand that?
Exactly my point. High end showings define characters for any medium be it comics, anime, manga, novels, video games for the sake of vs debating
Just because several people (yourself included) like to ***** about feats you dislike doesn't invalidate them
Several fictions are written by different authors like Warhammer 40,000 or Star Wars and yet we treat them with the same level of consideration when it comes to vs debating. Good job on the red herring #2
Don't like it? Too damn bad it happened. Still don't like it? Go cry to MovieCodec or CBR
>it doesn't suit my preconceived notions so it doesn't count
Cite where I used Thor driving off Galactus as a feat and I'll get back to you
Nah, I know enough. Unlike you I don't go off MovieCodec's twisted way of "thinking" in regards to feat evaluation of comics and DBZ
Kind of hard to take yo seriously when you just regurgitate the same shit Moses and his cock worshippers spouted off in MVC in their heyday
Still a non sequiter, and another red herring
That's not how it works, in Yu Yu Hakusho, Yusuke in Chapter Black was capable of country busting. His EoS self is far more powerful. Doesn't mean I get to say he's any higher than country level and Mach 350 because he's "way more powerful" in his EoS incarnation than his CB incarnation
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It reached the moon in the SAME PANEL as it was fired.
You get there in the exact same time regardless of how much distance you teleport across (after all, again, you are ignoring space/time when you teleport). Ergo it's irrelevant if he fired a blast in between teleport
Mmkay, so relativistic then? Still not FTL
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Roshi and Chi-Chi exchanging a few words after Goku leaves the house and before he reappears in the plane. Further in the same chapter Tien and Krillin having an even longer conversation after Goku leaves and before he got to Trunks and Vegeta.
Even if by chance those chars can talk faster than normal people it still proves a time lag of some sort does exist.Doesn't matter how long it takes, once Goku vanishes he can't possibly be tagged by anyone no matter how fast he / she is before he reappears again, at that instant he wouldn't be anywhere for his opponent to hit him. So no, he wouldn't really have an easyer time simply moving around in battle even if doing so would get him faster across short distances.
And btw, Piccolo clearly fired his attack in the second panel which we see from a frontal perspective.
That's the difference between us, I actually provide evidence to support my claims, YOU DON'T. You say it's less than a second but have absolutely zero evidence to back up your horse shit arguments.
At least you finally STFU about your Thanos wankery.
Hahaha ...no...That's never been how comic books or manga worked.
By this logic anytime someone punches someone else in a panel without chambering a punch it happened in an instant.
Make no mistake i'm sure Piccolo's blast got to the moon fairly quickly but again, power scaling is a no go in DBZ.
That's YOUR responsibility. I'm not the one making claims of how fast instant transmission is. All I said is that a time frame, no matter how large or small exist. You made the retarded claim that it's instant as in his a time frame of practically 0 which is impossible.
Now you're trying to make a claim that it's substansially less than a second.
Again, the burden of proof is on YOU.
LMAO So because it's called Instant Transmission you actually think it's instant as in a time frame of absolute 0 which is impossible BTW.
Even you practically agreed that there's a time frame but you're trying your absolute hardest to claim it's substantially below 1 second.
Literally your only argument is
"buh buh its teh teleportation"
" its called teh instant"
You know what? I decided to make the actual effort to disprove your nonsense.
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Goku uses instant transmission in one page. It apparently takes so long for him to appear that Trunks is able to leave the Lookout to get the Dragon Radar. So you can stfu about it being an instant when it clearly isn't.
I wonder what terrible argument you'll come up with next?
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Remind me again, who's reaching? Oh yeah, YOU ARE. I didn't realize Earth's atmosphere was only 100 feet above the surface. Also what the hell is that light I circled?
You could try to make the argument that they're entering hyperspace like Silver Surfer might.
But that wouldn't explain how they get to King Kai's planet in another dimension.
Also if you noticed, Bills was riding on Whis' back when they went to King Kai's planet, and when they left Earth.
Also why does Whis always summon his staff when they fly somewhere?
Your gif of Bills and Whis flying is when they went to KING KAI's planet that exist in ANOTHER DIMENSION.
They probably teleported off screen. The fact is the planet Bills and Whis live on is in the same universe as Earth. It doesn't matter if they were light speeders, they still wouldn't be able get to King Kai's planet without teleporting there
Seriously I understand desperation is getting the better of you but try to keep some, even just a little cohesion in your post.
Galaxy swept clean of what? The freaking Annihilation Wave. What else would Galactus be trying to wipe the galaxy clean of?
Your Thanos wank is embarrassing
DBZ Is a highly inconsistent anime/manga when it comes to how characters are portrayed. Characters on Namek were more impressive on panel and on screen than characters in later sagas.
The idea of condensing ki attacks is all good and well but there are several notable instances where characters from later sagas look weaker on panel or on screen than characters from earlier sagas.
Here's a noteworthy example, when 18 KO'd Vegeta by swinging Trunks into him.
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DBZ fans will make up any excuse like saying 18 swung Trunks with the force of a planet, ironically without the entire surrounding landscape caving in on itself. Or say that Vegeta and Trunks were in weakened states even though Trunks was fine except for one hit he took from 17.
There's also the instance of a blood lusted Cell attacking Gohan, then missing and his punch leaving only a small hole in the ground.
So really, unless you have some irrefutable evidence of DBZ characters being light speed then you don't have much of an argument. The only argument you've come up with was how fast Bills and Whis could fly, even though Whis was doing all the work, and it's clearly teleporting when they go to another dimension and that Whis is clearly using his staff.
You also kept bringing up Goku's kamehameha wave against Cell, but your Instant Transmission theory has been debunked as well.
So you're essentially saying that Thanos needs his tech to survive a powerful blast.
Also you said that Omega's blast was All Out but again, nothing in the comic supports this.
Both DBZ fans and Thanos fans are notorious for making things up and you exceed both of those expectations
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