We are going in circles. You have made the claim that first form Frieza can kill Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Vegeto. With that statement alone I am done with you. Holla.
I never said frieza can kill either of them you said that.
I specifically said that nobody has tanked a planet buster and the whole kid buu thing is inconsistant. Your the one that said all that other stuff.
And you replyed to what i said about kid buu by calling it nit picking whrn its clearly PIS.
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First form Frieza is a planet buster with just the tip of his finger. Per your words, no DBZ character can withstand planet busting power which means Frieza can kill everyone I've named with his index finger planet busting power.
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Last edited by carver9 on May 6th, 2014 at 12:47 AM
Well most likely theyd just deflect the blast upward and proceed to kill frieza they wouldnt just stand there and let it hit them. that doesnt mean they can just tank a planet buster attack. Every thing weve seen the characters do in response to a planet buster suggests that they cant.
You act like youve never seen weaker characters in the show hurt stronger characters.
Toriyama THE CREATOR of DBZ has said they can himself and battle of the gods proves that the ssj levels arent as absolute as you think they are.
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Last edited by chasedown on May 6th, 2014 at 01:40 AM
So if they didn't redirect the blast it would kill them?
You are using his words in a way that it wasn't meant to be used. 2nd Goku goes Super Saiyan 2 and 3, it taxes his body, used a lot of his strength which in time weakens him or whoever. What he is saying is Goku is basically training his body...His Super Saiyan form to the point that he would be as powerful as his Super Saiyan 3 form WITHOUT going Super Saiyan 2 or 3 which would expand his energy resource without being taxed by his other forms.
Vegeta achieved this already which is the reason he was able to budge Bills. It had nothing to do with a weaker character hurting a more powerful character.
It would definitely sting. Afterall the Saiyan's have been hurt by less.
Not sure what this has to do with Gohan but whatever.
I'm pretty sure you can't argue with "Word of God" even if it is out of place. Not entirely sure if that's what your doing but wasn't Vegata weaker than Bills? If he was able to do something to him that would be an example of a weaker character affecting a stronger one.
But as for this thread and concerning Gohan, is this just leading to som odd conclusion that Gohan has punches stronger than Planet Busters...because that's pretty darn silly and still falls into the many inconsistencies that Toriyama has in DBZ.
We have no idea how powerful Vegeta was compared to a non powered up Bills but what we do know is that it was confirmed that he was more powerful than Goku. Seem like he had a Gohan moment and unlocked some type of hidden potential. With that said..it still doesn't go against my statement.
At least you acknowledged that first form Frieza couldn't kill a Super Saiyan with his index finger.
Lol again your the only one stating the whole frieza thing theyd take damage if they were to just sit there weve seen a bunch of characters being affected by planet busters. Maybe frieza can kill him we dont know but we do know how they usually react to planet busters and thats either to run away from it or deflect it...Cell mainly is one who wouldve died a couple times had he not been able to regenerate. And all those attacks came from those weaker than him. and the vegeta thing still goes with weaker characters hurting stonger ones. Bills was on a totally different plane than vegeta and goku. Hes literally a god it doesnt get more diffrent than that. And somehow even tho vegeta admitted himself that goku was better than him he affected bills
My whole point isnt even about whatever your talking about i was just stating inconsistencies within the manga. Then you just started talking about collaterall damage, master roshi, and frieza killing supersaiyans.
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Last edited by chasedown on May 6th, 2014 at 04:04 PM
And my point is DBZ didn't die from planet busters, they died from the power of the person that is blasting them. Beings that was either equal to them in power or superior.
Vegeta hurt a non full powered Celle because he put every drop of power he had into one blast..you know, the same Vegeta who at a far weaker state had planet busting power already...let's continue. He put all of his power into a single attack and hit Cell with a direct attack. A holding back non full powered Cell. We have two things here...One is, a Vegeta that is billions of times less powerful than the Vegeta that fought Cell was capable of shedding a planet. Are you going to sit here and tell me that Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga who used an attack (that did not deplete him) with a level capable of destroying Earth used the same amount of power as the Vegeta who is billions of times as powerful as him, who used all of his energy in one shot...are you going to tell me that the power of the blast was the same? USE THAT NOGGIN. Just because it's stated that Earth will be destroyed doesn't mean it's just a planetary level attack. It means exactly what it says..if this blast connects, the side affect will destroy Earth.
Answer this. Minus the solar system destroying attack Cell used...Do you think Frieza index finger attack is greater than any power output that was displayed between Goku and Cell fight. Remember, the planet wasn't destroyed during their encounter but ascended Goku exerted himself using so much energy against Cell whereas Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta like it was child's play.
It doesnt matter about all that the fact of the matter is people have taken damage from planet buster attacks and they can be harmed by them based on their actions when put up against them. Everything else your stating is besides the point.
What is a planet buster attack? An ki attack capable of blowing up a planet
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Last edited by chasedown on May 6th, 2014 at 07:21 PM
Again I ask, did Vegeta use more power in his fight again Cell and Buu or did he use more power when he fought Goku during the Saiyan Saga? Simple question that you are trying to avoid.
Another question. No one else attack during DBZ was stated as being capable of annihilating a solar system. Would you consider Cell attack as the most powerful attack in DBZ?
These questions dont mattee and im not avoiding it at all it just doesnt matter because both were classified as planet busters. Maybe one had the power to blow up an even larger planet but why does it matter because it still proves that they can be hurt by planet busters.
The questions your asking are irrelavant to my point.
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Again...does your logic apply across the board or is this a DBZ thang.
Example...Superman was hit by an attack that didn't even scar the ground he was standing on.
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Does this mean that Nappa could kill him with his finger lifting blast that leveled a continent? Your response will let me know if you are a hypocrite or not.
You didnt answer anything. I'm asking you if this behavior you have towards DBZ characters, is it just for them (collateral damage) or is this for ALL characters?
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