1. You need not vie for my attention, Shake.
Bush/Obama as Satan has been a popular meme since 2008.
Truthfully, I'm only debating which review of "I, Pet Goat" would best exemplify what you, and/or several scores of others, fully allude to with that reference.
2. The flatness or roundness of the Earth has little to do with my title question, but I have little problem discussing that if you wish.
I presume you're getting this from some verse covered in the following, though.
You can save us some time by confirming or denying as much and/or simply stating what verse you're going off of to claim "flat Earth".
3. I'm really not sure where you're deriving "Sun goes 'round the Earth" from.
Please provide the verse you're referring to if you want me to discuss that with you.
Stoic's answer is a very good one, in a way Satan is a lie, and his agenda is an entire failure, but I'll nitpick the statement a bit for argument's sake.
If we go by the interpretation that Lucifer is Satan, he has no physical form, or his form is unknown to us. Angels are freedomless, eternal and spiritual beings, hence their physical appearence isn't at thing. But we know that Angels used to have a physical representation, when the Arc of the Alliance is described, some "angels with wings" are crafted on it. So the thing we know about angels is that they do not have wings, that's a start.
If an Angel is timeless and freedomless, he cannot really lie, he can just "be wrong". In a way, he cannot be something he's not, he can just appear to be different. So I don't think Lucifer would shapeshift by the sheer virtue of conveniance. Of course, there is also the possibility that the fall, broke Lucifer in his angelic nature, tainting his spiritual form by being exorcised from heaven in the same way our spirits would suffer from being passively on hell. But that's speculation.
Angels probably have a similar form to that of primitive animals, it'd have been hard to describe an animal different to any other, but the hebrews probably had an idea of how they were supposed to look. In Islam Lucifer was not actually an angel, but a fire spirit, a djinn. While this was an obvious way of mixing arabian tradition into the Islam, we can actually justify the view of Luficer as a star coming from this djinn idea. For the muslim, djinn are not without freedom like angels, which is why they can sin. I wonder if this can be seen as a condition of the primitive values in muslim faith, obedience and blind faith being a central part of their religion, making it so freedom is ultimately the weakness of Lucifer and his acolytes.
For now, though, relating to what you wrote above, and keeping my promise,
"I, Pet Goat", a remarkable CGI work from a group entitled "Heliophant", which has its own website and still (at least earlier today it did) has the original film available for view.
It is a strange work, and so layered and laden with imagery and symbolism that even the creator of the film, a man named Louise Lefebvre, says he does not fully glean all its meaning.
It'd be interesting to hear Digi's take on such an admission; from everything I can gather, Digi believes even the most complex work can be explained very simply and related to anyone comprehensibly.
I don't think Digi realizes what a unique category his background with graphic arts, design, and programming, actually places him in.
Certainly Lefebvre doesn't agree with Digi.
Lefebvre describes the "I, Pet Goat" script almost as if it came to him as a dream, and Lefebvre is not only open to viewer interpretation but actively solicits it on the Heliophant website.
Perhaps the most well thought-out analysis I've come across is contained in the following two clips. I cannot recommend the first of these enough; it is useless to try to understand "I, Pet Goat" without the first video.
However, a few cautions are in order:
PARENTAL GUIDANCE SUGGESTED.
PLEASE DO NOT VIEW THESE CLIPS IF YOU ARE 13 or UNDER.
Note that "I, Pet Goat" does not go out of its way to be graphic.
Nevertheless, the film and the analyses of it are frank in ALL aspects of life and spirituality and may be offensive to some.
1. Parental Guidance HEAVILY suggested for the 16 minute 16 second mark to 17 minute 23 second mark section of the first video.
2. Parental Guidance equally heavily suggested for the 16 minute 8 second mark to 16 minute 53 second mark of the second video, a revisitation of the same scene of "I, Pet Goat" with different details.
3. You WON'T like the interpretation of 1 & 2 if you're Catholic. Adult or not.
You just won't. Apologies in advance; I had no input into the creation of the "I, Pet Goat" film or these reviews.
Reviewer fails at a prediction slated for February of last year.
All but meaningless to me; has 99% of nothing to do with 99% of the rest of the analysis. A bad extrapolation made because reviewer resorted to guessing and date-setting.
Reviewer thinks the "Mark of the Beast" is literal and is, in fact, the RFID chip widely discussed and actually put on market a few years ago.
Not sure how much I agree with that line of thinking.
Nevertheless, it made me think of a commercial I saw a few years ago.
So creepy even to a friend inured to such things could only marvel a company would use said commercial, thinking that it would PROMOTE their product as opposed to turning people away from it.
That commercial was a much longer version of the following, which unfortunately only HINTS at the eerieness of the original:
Other than that, though, I think the reviewer is largely correct about what LeFebvre depicts. Please note that whether what LeFebvre depicts is reality or not is another matter entirely.
Now, though, cue parental advisory.
"I, Pet Goat" ...
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PARENTAL GUIDANCE SUGGESTED.
PLEASE DO NOT VIEW THESE CLIPS IF YOU ARE 13 or UNDER.
Note that "I, Pet Goat" does not go out of its way to be graphic.
Nevertheless, the film and the analyses of it are frank in ALL aspects of life and spirituality and may be offensive to some.
1. Parental Guidance HEAVILY suggested for the 16 minute 16 second mark to 17 minute 23 second mark section of the first video.
2. Parental Guidance equally heavily suggested for the 16 minute 8 second mark to 16 minute 53 second mark of the second video, a revisitation of the same scene of "I, Pet Goat" with different details.
Is this a riff on Satan being the Serpent in the Garden?
Or saying the weird beasts found in books like Isaiah and Revelation are angels?
"I, Pet Goat" features "Drako" (The Dragon) as a TV-ied serpent, Blue/Purple Djinn and interposes Celestial Fire from "Jesus" to birth the False Christ or Anti-Christ of the film.
Interestingly, "I, Pet Goat" also features Osama Bin Laden as a dark angelic figure.
You'll probably need somebody not only versed in the Koran but also fluent in both Arabic and English to properly answer a question like that.
I thought about the latter. My idea is that there could've been a cultural representation of an angel back when the hebrews made the arc and such representation wasn't necessarily that of a man. I assumed that it could've been some sort of providential animal, but not necessarily one that would be recognizable by us. The leviathan is assumed to be a hippopotamus.
Yeah, it's sort of a serious a complex answer, I was mostly wondering about it for aesthetical proposes.
I'll try to check the dreamish videos you brought later today, sadly I'm at work and cannot reply otherwise than with short phrases.
If you have questions on "I, Pet Goat", be sure to ask them.
Objections, complaints, etcetera.
Besides everything else, I'm interested in knowing how much background the average person needs before the symbolism used in that sort of esoteric work makes relatively complete sense.
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Okay I watched the video. Really nice animation. To me it was a mix of new age and new light Christianity.
There are two meaning to the Lotus; the first represents the traditions of eastern thought. You find this a lot in gift shops; the second is the profound simultaneity of the mystic law. I was pleased to see an attempt to use both in the video, or am I just projecting, I don't know.
It seemed that the lotus at the end was guiding the Jesus figure while the sand castle was being destroyed in the background.
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"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;"
Isaiah 40:22
the "circle" there is chuwg (H2329) in Hebrew which means circle, circuit, compass, sphere...
so... no, the earth is a sphere according to the Bible...
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A circles is a two dimensional slice of a sphere. It is not a sphere.
"com·pass
ˈkəmpəs/
noun
noun: compass; plural noun: compasses; plural noun: magnetic compass; plural noun: pair of compasses; noun: pair of compasses; plural noun: pairs of compasses
1.
an instrument containing a magnetized pointer that shows the direction of magnetic north and bearings from it.
2.
an instrument for drawing circles and arcs and measuring distances between points, consisting of two arms linked by a movable joint, one arm ending in a point and the other usually carrying a pencil or pen.
3.
the range or scope of something.
"the event had political repercussions that are beyond the compass of this book"
verb
archaic
verb: compass; 3rd person present: compasses; past tense: compassed; past participle: compassed; gerund or present participle: compassing
1.
go around (something) in a circular course.
"the ship wherein Magellan compassed the world"
surround or enclose on all sides.
"they were compassed with numerous fierce and cruel tribes"
2.
contrive to accomplish (something).
"he compassed his end only by the exercise of violence""
The word compass is referring to something two dimensional. It is also not a sphere.
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